Malik Gyan Daumantas
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Pretty much speaks for itself.
So the Duettist allows you to get your own familiar that is effectively your very own backup dancer
Thing is you give up bardic knowledge to do it which is considered by many to be one of the most defining abilities of the bard
So in the long run which one would you generally get some use out of?
(And for the sake of argument, Lets assume you don't pull the sage archetype trick to compensate for the lack of bardic knowledge and instead get the improved familiar feat to get the Lyrakien Azata)
| Dave Justus |
Personally, I'm not a big fan of bardic knowledge.
First off, I think it is nice to spread the knowledge checks around. Let the Cleric know about religion, the Wizard about arcane, The barbarian or ranger about nature etc. Bardic knowledge is a nice 'backup' for knowledges nobody has, but it is hardly necessary.
The two bardic abilities I won't give up are inspire courage and versatile performance (or I better get something great for them.)
Familiars are extremely cool. Improved Familiar is extra action economy. Even non-improved familiar duettist has built in action economy boosters.
| Keep Calm and Carrion |
A familiar has its master's skill ranks, which means whenever a duettist makes a knowledge check, the familiar can too, which is very similar to rolling twice and taking the higher result--approximately as beneficial as getting a +5 bonus on a single roll. A bard doesn't get +5 from Bardic Knowledge until level 10. The familiar can Aid Another on many skill checks too, including the non-knowledge ones.
A duettist doesn't get to make knowledge checks untrained, so there's the cost of scattering one point into every knowledge. Also, they don't get the auto twenty from loremaster. On the other hand, a familiar gives Alertness, the equivalent of 4 (and eventually 8) skill ranks, plus the familiar bonus to a skill/hp/initiative/whatever. On top of that you get everything a familiar can actually do: scouting, combat actions, etc. Saving combat actions on performance is pretty big, and if you get your Improved Familiar, there's Use Magic Device possibilities, Commune once a week...great stuff.
Malik Gyan Daumantas
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Why not both? Take a sage familiar.
(And for the sake of argument, Lets assume you don't pull the sage archetype trick to compensate for the lack of bardic knowledge and instead get the improved familiar feat to get the Lyrakien Azata)
Besides as far as I'm aware, you can't put the sage archetype on an Improved Familiar.
| Gisher |
master_marshmallow wrote:Why not both? Take a sage familiar.(And for the sake of argument, Lets assume you don't pull the sage archetype trick to compensate for the lack of bardic knowledge and instead get the improved familiar feat to get the Lyrakien Azata)
Besides as far as I'm aware, you can't put the sage archetype on an Improved Familiar.
The Sage Familiar Archetype doesn't change the creature type or alter Speak With Animals Of Its Kind so it should stack with Improved Familiar.