Eating the blood and flesh of Good and Evil outsiders


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I'd like to know what are the effects. The only thing I could find was the old "Soul Rot" disease from BoVD, that comes from eating the flesh of an evil outsider.

I really would like some kind of rule in place for this. Off the bat, I can tell that probably eating the flesh and blood of good outsiders (who is unwilling) would have evil effects. The same for flesh and blood of an evil outsider, but different.

For example: a priest could use the blood of an evil outsider and force it down the throat of an humanoid, and it could perhaps have the effect of a "Geas" or a Curse, or perhaps have the effect of the spell "Morality Undone" for 24h, and thus slowly "converting" the subject to the alignment of the fiend's blood.

As for eating the flesh of a good outsider (like an unicorn), what I would put is put the eater under a curse - no positive healing can heal it, but negative energy can. It just sounds fitting that after he made such an act, even the positive energy shies away from his body, and the unicorn's flesh then creates a wound in his soul and thus make it welcome negative energy - like a lich, who feed off the Hatred of the world.

Any ideas?


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I dislike the fact that eating a good outsider has negative effects.
It cuts off a few to many options and serves little purpose.
If your characters are good they would never do it in the first place.

I like the story of the evil guy who goes around killing unicorns and powdering their horns to retain his youth. Or the woman who hunts beautiful angels to bathe in their blood and gain beauty.

Having negatives for eating good outsiders makes no sense to me.
If you want to punish your players for eating unicorns, have a good aligned diety/protector of the forrest/other good aligned creature hunt them for their abhorrent and evil act.


J4RH34D wrote:

I dislike the fact that eating a good outsider has negative effects.

It cuts off a few to many options and serves little purpose.
If your characters are good they would never do it in the first place.

I like the story of the evil guy who goes around killing unicorns and powdering their horns to retain his youth. Or the woman who hunts beautiful angels to bathe in their blood and gain beauty.

Having negatives for eating good outsiders makes no sense to me.
If you want to punish your players for eating unicorns, have a good aligned diety/protector of the forrest/other good aligned creature hunt them for their abhorrent and evil act.

That actually does make sense, as it would make the act of eating the flesh of an outsider even more tempting.

However, in my opinion, evil characters aren't actually harmed by only being healed by negative energy - evil clerics channel negative energy after all, so it's more like a boon.

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Made a tribe for my Obsidian Apocalypse campaign of demon eating barbarians. When there is nothing to eat but the demons trying to slaughter your village, you make do with what's available.

Didn't really change anything mechanically just used it as a rationalilzation for a lot of Abyssal bloodline sorcerers and Fiend Totem Barbarians. Plus making the tribe leader Half-Fiend due to diet of demon hearts


outsiders are immune to diseases so they shouldn't be spreading them around

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Lady-J wrote:
outsiders are immune to diseases so they shouldn't be spreading them around

Outsiders aren't blanket immune to diseases, only those whose stat blocks actually list being immune are immune.


Eating the flesh of another sapient creature sounds like cannibalism to me, which IME should be evil without a lot of justification. Not all evil things have immediate consequences though; I don't see angels booby-trapping their bodies on a regular basis. I can imagine devils doing that, and demons are probably loaded with dangerous parasites.


Lady-J wrote:
outsiders are immune to diseases so they shouldn't be spreading them around

Off hand Daemons are the only outsiders I can remember that have disease immunity. Devils and Demons don’t, which might explain, given a horseman of disease, why they don’t push around the weaker Daemons more.


I feel like... The issue with this is the fact that these basically instantly default to evil characters for the most part

Eating Good outsiders: Means you have to kill and butcher unicorns. Not cool.
Eating Evil outsiders: Corrupts your soul. Not cool..

Though here's an idea for a setting piece. Give the setting one church who through their divine connection can prepare demon meat in such a way to allow them to eat demon meat and gain its powers without corrupting them. That'd be an interesting and terrifying thing (though you'd probably need a way to allow PC's to join this church because no way in hell is no-one in the party going to turn that down, and question why only NPC worshippers have access to it.)


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Of course we default to Evil eating Good outsiders! How else would we get through the DR on the meat?


avr wrote:
Eating the flesh of another sapient creature sounds like cannibalism to me, which IME should be evil without a lot of justification. Not all evil things have immediate consequences though; I don't see angels booby-trapping their bodies on a regular basis. I can imagine devils doing that, and demons are probably loaded with dangerous parasites.

only eating the same species is cannibalism so only humans eating humans or elves eating elves would be cannibalism

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I seem to recall reading about some crazy sicko cult where people ritually devour their own god's flesh and blood. They even make their own kids do it as an initiation ritual. And get this - the whole outfit is regarded in the setting as GOOD-aligned!


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I seem to recall reading about some crazy sicko cult where people ritually devour their own god's flesh and blood. They even make their own kids do it as an initiation ritual. And get this - the whole outfit is regarded in the setting as GOOD-aligned!

>_>

<_<


Lady-J wrote:
avr wrote:
Eating the flesh of another sapient creature sounds like cannibalism to me, which IME should be evil without a lot of justification. Not all evil things have immediate consequences though; I don't see angels booby-trapping their bodies on a regular basis. I can imagine devils doing that, and demons are probably loaded with dangerous parasites.
only eating the same species is cannibalism so only humans eating humans or elves eating elves would be cannibalism

IRL it is as you say, but on Golarion, cannibalism is one sapient creature eating another. Whether it is intrinsically evil is open to discussion.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I seem to recall reading about some crazy sicko cult where people ritually devour their own god's flesh and blood. They even make their own kids do it as an initiation ritual. And get this - the whole outfit is regarded in the setting as GOOD-aligned!

Just their propaganda. There hasn't been a proper inquisition to check them out in centuries.


avr wrote:
I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I seem to recall reading about some crazy sicko cult where people ritually devour their own god's flesh and blood. They even make their own kids do it as an initiation ritual. And get this - the whole outfit is regarded in the setting as GOOD-aligned!
Just their propaganda. There hasn't been a proper inquisition to check them out in centuries.

No one would expect it.


I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
I seem to recall reading about some crazy sicko cult where people ritually devour their own god's flesh and blood. They even make their own kids do it as an initiation ritual. And get this - the whole outfit is regarded in the setting as GOOD-aligned!

That made me laugh a lot here. Kudos to you.

Defaulting the character who eats to evil it's beyond the point. We're allowed to play Neutral or Evil characters - and why should the flesh of a sentient animal dead be allowed to rot instead of being savoured? That particular mentality isn't exactly evil.

Either way - there still should be consequences in eating the flesh of outsiders. Cannibalism being evil or not isn't exactly the topic of discussion here.


1: On what is basically a jab on Christianity, it'd actually be interesting to think of having just one specific 'good aligned' church that just happens to have one really strange and horrific tradition. Not sure exactly what it should be, but I think that'd be cool.

2: I do agree that there should be consequences for eating (or otherwise consuming, like making potions) from the bodies of outsiders, I just think that those consequences should also come with some kind of benefit to give a reason that anyone would go for it anyway.

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