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I wouldn't see why you couldn't use it for spell components.One spell component, anyway. Added a caveat.
This seems untrue, as you can get a scroll with five copies of the same 150 GP spell on it for the same 2 PP. I'd say, 750 GP worth of diamond dust, usable as a spell component for multiple castings of the same spell.
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I used to think you couldn't spend Prestige on spell components, but I don't see that stipulation in either the Season 9 Guide or the FAQ.
If you do acquire gemstones or diamond dust I agree that they couldn't then be used as "trade goods" for other purchases.
Although that's a bit meta in application.
"Sorry, son. I recognize that bag of rubies you got there. It's been passed around as a favor more times than I can count. Ain't really worth much at this point. But if you have an equally hefty bag of rubies that you paid gold for, I'll happily take that!"
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"Sorry, son. I recognize that bag of rubies you got there. It's been passed around as a favor more times than I can count. Ain't really worth much at this point. But if you have an equally hefty bag of rubies that you paid gold for, I'll happily take that!"
"Sorry, those came from the pathfinder society and we don't trade in blood diamonds."
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Only for resale.
How can something have two different values at once? How is it 750gp worth of diamonds that I can sell for a worth of 0gp? (being a precious stone it retains full value for selling normally)
This is why I actually think it's not allowed. Any item is something that you'd normally sell for half price. But as precious stones they count as currency still and are always equal to their worth, no reduction for selling them. That's why I don't think they count as an item you can get via PP.
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A weapon or armor purchased with prestige has a 0gp value for resale, but full value when calculating fame requirements if you upgrade it. Metagame issues around not allowing wealth generating loopholes shouldn’t really factor into this.
I’m curious if there is an official answer what it will be. I’m pretty sure I’ve used this option before, though it’s been a while.
Venture-Lieutenant, Netherlands—Leiden
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Only for resale.How can something have two different values at once?
Because it says so on the tin, basically.
Suppose I have 22 Fame. That means I'm allowed to buy items up to 8,000gp.
If Fame-bought items were worth 0 GP under all circumstances, I could use PP to buy a masterwork silver heavy flail (495gp), and 8000gp to enchant it to a +2 weapon.
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I don't see a problem with using PP to get a bag of diamond dust that happens to equal a value of 750gp as long as EVERYONE understands that it can't be sold and can ONLY be used as a spell component .
We have the problem of things have two different values now. I get a Potion of Fly for 2PP. I can't sell it for 375gp. It has sell value of 0gp. I can only use it.
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Only for resale.How can something have two different values at once?Because it says so on the tin, basically.
Suppose I have 22 Fame. That means I'm allowed to buy items up to 8,000gp.
If Fame-bought items were worth 0 GP under all circumstances, I could use PP to buy a masterwork silver heavy flail (495gp), and 8000gp to enchant it to a +2 weapon.
Wait, they retain their full price for fame limits? Where is that said?
All I see is this in the guide."Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold."
So that seems to mean that the 750 diamonds are now worth 0gp and can't be sold and that your flail with +2 is only 8000 for fame limit since the base flail is worth 0gp and 0 + 8000 = 8000;
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I don't see a problem with using PP to get a bag of diamond dust that happens to equal a value of 750gp as long as EVERYONE understands that it can't be sold and can ONLY be used as a spell component .
We have the problem of things have two different values now. I get a Potion of Fly for 2PP. I can't sell it for 375gp. It has sell value of 0gp. I can only use it.
No there is no two values, in the guide it says that these items are worth 0gp and can't be sold. That means that your potion is worth 0gp in all sense. Not just for selling.
If it was worth 0 for selling only the guide should say something like, "these items can be sold for 0gp" or "these items are worth 0gp when sold" rather than saying "Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold." Worth 0 gp seems to be clear that in all ways it's worth 0gp. It can't just be worth 0 when selling since it can't be sold, it is completely redundant to say it's worth 0 as just saying it can't be sold covers not selling it for profit. Thus the "worth 0 gp" should mean something since it was put in there.
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This seems untrue, as you can get a scroll with five copies of the same 150 GP spell on it for the same 2 PP. I'd say, 750 GP worth of diamond dust, usable as a spell component for multiple castings of the same spell.I wouldn't see why you couldn't use it for spell components.One spell component, anyway. Added a caveat.
Seems valid.
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Wait, they retain their full price for fame limits? Where is that said?
All I see is this in the guide.
"Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold."
So that seems to mean that the 750 diamonds are now worth 0gp and can't be sold and that your flail with +2 is only 8000 for fame limit since the base flail is worth 0gp and 0 + 8000 = 8000;
This seems to violate the "don't game the system to get more wealth" rule. The flail has to have a value for purposes of calculating a final price for fame limitations.
Looks like something that will need to be address in the Season 10 guide.
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I don't see a problem with using PP to get a bag of diamond dust that happens to equal a value of 750gp as long as EVERYONE understands that it can't be sold and can ONLY be used as a spell component .
We have the problem of things have two different values now. I get a Potion of Fly for 2PP. I can't sell it for 375gp. It has sell value of 0gp. I can only use it.
No there is no two values, in the guide it says that these items are worth 0gp and can't be sold. That means that your potion is worth 0gp in all sense. Not just for selling.
If it was worth 0 for selling only the guide should say something like, "these items can be sold for 0gp" or "these items are worth 0gp when sold" rather than saying "Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold." Worth 0 gp seems to be clear that in all ways it's worth 0gp. It can't just be worth 0 when selling since it can't be sold, it is completely redundant to say it's worth 0 as just saying it can't be sold covers not selling it for profit. Thus the "worth 0 gp" should mean something since it was put in there.
To me this seems like a hair that does not need to be split.
It is worth 0 gold so why would I want to try and sell it? I could give it an NPC if I wanted. Not a PC because that is clearly wealth transfer. I am allowed to give it to an PC to use as part of a spell however, even if the spell does not benefit me.
Now my head hurts....
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Wait, they retain their full price for fame limits? Where is that said?
All I see is this in the guide.
"Items purchased this way are worth 0 gp and cannot be sold."
So that seems to mean that the 750 diamonds are now worth 0gp and can't be sold and that your flail with +2 is only 8000 for fame limit since the base flail is worth 0gp and 0 + 8000 = 8000;This seems to violate the "don't game the system to get more wealth" rule. The flail has to have a value for purposes of calculating a final price for fame limitations.
Looks like something that will need to be address in the Season 10 guide.
The flail has a value, it's 0gp cause that's how much it's worth.
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yes, since that's the end price that seems to be how it happens.The flail has a value, it's 0gp cause that's how much it's worth.So then, are you saying that I can upgrade that (presumably masterwork) flail to a +2 weapon with just 22 fame?
If the 22 PP accounts for the fact that the upgrade is actually 11,000 GP, then yes. 8,000 for the upgrade, +3,000 because the flail was specified as being silver. (+2,000 for Cold Iron & +5,000 for Adamantine IIRC)
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If the 22 PP accounts for the fact that the upgrade is actually 11,000 GP, then yes. 8,000 for the upgrade, +3,000 because the flail was specified as being silver. (+2,000 for Cold Iron & +5,000 for Adamantine IIRC)yes, since that's the end price that seems to be how it happens.The flail has a value, it's 0gp cause that's how much it's worth.So then, are you saying that I can upgrade that (presumably masterwork) flail to a +2 weapon with just 22 fame?
You're not remembering the right silver.
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Prestige bought items regular value *does* count for purposes of upgrades. Campaign Leadership made that clear quite some time ago, but not in the guide. No, I don't have a link off-hand, maybe in the upgrade thread.
As for Diamond dust - I'm not of the opinion that it's a single item. Otherwise "a bag of 15 CLW potions" could be a thing. I'm willing to be proved wrong from on high. Until then I'd suggest not doing it. FAQ this.