would any cleric be able to use mighty strength scroll or do you need to worship the right god still to use the scroll?
I think that's on the general cleric & paladin spell lists, even if only followers of Trudd (or other dwarven gods) can normally cast it. 'To use a spell completion item safely, a character must be of high enough level in the right class to cast the spell already.' - which implies that you should be fine.
Which I think agrees with Lady-J, but I'm not certain. It can be hard to translate her posts sometimes.
Thanks Lady-J, that sounds like a solid argument.
What makes you think worshipping Trudd is only a pre-req for Paladins? The text from Dwarves of Golarion is pretty clear - you have to worship either the listed deity, or Torag and pick that member of his family that morning.
Below are spells granted by each of these deities to the followers of Torag and his relatives.
In order to prepare any of these spells, the caster must spend an hour performing a ritual in which he beseeches Torag (or a member of his family) for the aid of one of his divine family members. For 24 hours after the ritual, the caster may prepare spells of the requested deity. The caster may only attune himself to one additional deity at a time.
Oh - were you going off the positioning of the parenthetical for (Trudd) after Paladin? It's simply after the last class. Same as any of the Gods & Magic spells.
Mighty Strength is never on your spell list if you don't worship Torag or a member of his family, and only when you attune to Trudd (or worship Trudd normally). Even most shenanigans can't snag it since the god requirement is in addition to the class spell list. UMD works of course.
Unless I am missing something, I see absolutely nothing that would prevent anyone of the appropriate class from using a magic item that cast the spell. You need to worship the appropriate deity to prepare the spell, but it says nothing about scrolls or similar.
It is like how good aligned clerics can't prepare [Evil] spells, but nothing says those spells are removed from the spell list. You just can't cast them yourself. As they are still on your classes spell list, you could use scrolls of them, however, as you aren't casting or preparing the spell. (Looking closer at the cleric, a good-aligned cleric can prepare all the Evil spells he wants - he just can't cast them. The restriction specifically says cast, not prepare.)
The scroll would have to have been created by someone who could actually cast the spell (as you can't bypass spell requirements for scrolls), but I see nothing that would prohibit anyone else from using it.
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I don’t know what the official answer is, but in practice at the PFS table, I usually have GMs rule that my cleric of Torag must be attuned to the specific deity in order to consider any of the brood spells on his list. This comes up more for me for Invigorating Repose, because I usually want a scroll of that since it’s more situational and to actually prep Mighty strength.
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Unless I am missing something, I see absolutely nothing that would prevent anyone of the appropriate class from using a magic item that cast the spell. You need to worship the appropriate deity to prepare the spell, but it says nothing about scrolls or similar.
It is like how good aligned clerics can't prepare [Evil] spells, but nothing says those spells are removed from the spell list. You just can't cast them yourself. As they are still on your classes spell list, you could use scrolls of them, however, as you aren't casting or preparing the spell. (Looking closer at the cleric, a good-aligned cleric can prepare all the Evil spells he wants - he just can't cast them. The restriction specifically says cast, not prepare.)
The scroll would have to have been created by someone who could actually cast the spell (as you can't bypass spell requirements for scrolls), but I see nothing that would prohibit anyone else from using it.
One interpretation is that spells with a specific deity requirement aren't actually on your spell list unless you worship that deity, so a Cleric of Desna would need to make UMD checks to use a wand or scroll of Mighty Strength.
This view is kinda supported by the rule that Clerics of Desna can cast Dream: It's not actually a Cleric spell, but Desna essentially adds it to her worshipers' (and only her worshipers') spell lists.
Of course, I don't think this is clearly spelled out one way or the other, so it really comes down to how the GM wants it to work: Personally, I prefer this interpretation, but that's just me...
An experiment: is there any deity/race limited spell that is not coincidentally limited for only the last class in alphabetical order?
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I don’t know what the official answer is, but in practice at the PFS table, I usually have GMs rule that...You're in luck!
That ruling was for Gods & Magic. The spells being discussed here are from Dwarves of Golarion. There are specific rules in that book for gaining access to them, so it’s unlikely those specific rules don’t apply. Now those rules aren’t specific about whether or not the spells are considered on your list even when you aren’t attuned to the deity, but it is clear a cleric of Torag can only prep one of those spells per day.
I see the brood spells as being closer to Variant Spellcasting from Inner Sea Gods.
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That ruling was for Gods & Magic. The spells being discussed here are from Dwarves of Golarion. There are specific rules in that book for gaining access to them, so it’s unlikely those specific rules don’t apply.I don’t know what the official answer is, but in practice at the PFS table, I usually have GMs rule that...You're in luck!
Those rules aren't actually legal, so you're good.
There are several Additional Resources that grant access to spells while specifically leaving out the deity's code of conduct.
This was famously explained when a dwarf paladin tried to justify a murderhobo spree by claiming he followed Torag's code, which justified the slaying of "non-dwarves". It was pointed out that Torag's code isn't legal in Society.
Plus, I've always read Mike Brock's final statement to be all encompassing, regardless of how his post began.
So Additional Resources and starements from Mr. Brock are PFS things, right?