inner sea gods - what is diety specific?


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It isn't clear to me whether the spells and magic items are diety specific in PFS or not. I believe they are NOT but thought that I'd check.

Spells says the following. Seems a little contradictory to me.

"ones specific to individual deities" ...

"Despite this, all the spells in this chapter are available to members of other faiths, though some temples or religious organizations may proscribe the use of specific spells."

Magic items don't say anything. I assume this means that all of them can be used by anybody, especially since several of them explicitly say how they have special powers when worn by characters worshipping the specified dirty.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

Any spell or magic item is available to any character that meets the prerequisites. Some spells, feats, etc... indicate you have to be a follower of a specific deity to qualify for choosing it. Other spells and items give extra benefits for characters that worship the specified deity, but aren't restricted by a prerequisite to follow that deity to choose the spell/feat/item/whatever.

Shadow Lodge

I expect nearly every wizard and sorcerer to have fractions of heal and harm now, it's just that good.

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Michael Brock wrote:
Any spell or magic item is available to any character that meets the prerequisites. Some spells, feats, etc... indicate you have to be a follower of a specific deity to qualify for choosing it. Other spells and items give extra benefits for characters that worship the specified deity, but aren't restricted by a prerequisite to follow that deity to choose the spell/feat/item/whatever.

Thanks for answering, but I'm afraid it still isn't clear to me for spells (its way past my bedtime so I'm likely missing something obvious :-( ). Lets take an example. Aspect of the Nightingale. Does the fact that it has (Shelyn) in its description mean it is restricted or not?

Shadow Lodge

Earlier in the spell chapter it mentions that the spells are favored by the God mentioned, they are just rarer for other deities.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

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If you look at the feats, most of he, have a prerequisite of "worshiper of ......". To choose a specific feat, you must meet the requirement that you are a follower of hat deity.

If you look at traits, it advises, "The following traits religion traits can be taken only by worshipers of the specified deity." You must be a follower of the specified deity to choose whatever trait.

If you look at the beginning of the spell chapter, it advises, "Many of the spells in this chapter originated with the faithful of a particular deity and are more common among the worshipers of that god. Such spells are denoted with the god's name in parentheses after the spell's name. Worshipers of a spell's associated deity always treat the spell as common, and need not research it in order to prepare or learn it. Despite this, all the spells in this chapter are available to members of other faiths, though some temples or religious organizations may proscribe the use of specific spells. "

So, all spells are available to all characters as long as any prerequisites are met.

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So I can now use defending bone on my cleric of Torag AND my melee oracle? Sweet...

Silver Crusade

Could a character that worships Desna but has another god as his patron still get Butterfly's Sting?

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

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Hrothdane wrote:
Could a character that worships Desna but has another god as his patron still get Butterfly's Sting?

Who grants your character spells? If it isn't Desna, then you are not worshiping her, you are venerating her and Butterfly's Sting wouldn't be an option for you.

Silver Crusade

Michael Brock wrote:
Hrothdane wrote:
Could a character that worships Desna but has another god as his patron still get Butterfly's Sting?
Who grants your character spells? If it isn't Desna, then you are not worshiping her, you are venerating her and Butterfly's Sting wouldn't be an option for you.

I'm sad to hear that, as the earlier version of the feat from Faiths of Purity was going to be central to a character I've been leveling.

Thankfully, he hadn't picked it up yet, so I can try to find something else... :(

Grand Lodge 3/5

Hmm, does this clarification to say, Defending Bone, apply if I only have Gods & Magic, but not Inner Sea Gods, or do I need to own Inner Sea Gods as well?

Gods&Magic was alway super vague about exactly what restrictions were on (Diety) spells.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

The VOs and I are working on an FAQ that clarifies what a worshiper is in PFS and it should be up by tomorrow hopefully. If not, it will be up next week.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Global Organized Play Coordinator

Markov Spiked Chain wrote:

Hmm, does this clarification to say, Defending Bone, apply if I only have Gods & Magic, but not Inner Sea Gods, or do I need to own Inner Sea Gods as well?

Gods&Magic was alway super vague about exactly what restrictions were on (Diety) spells.

Defending Bone is a spell. It is covered up thread 4 or 5 posts earlier. As long as you own either book, it is available to your character.

Shadow Lodge

Since Mike's dropping in on this thread...

What should we do if we see a PC that has Butterfly's Sting (for example) and was using it before Inner Sea Gods came along?

Butterfly's Sting, while listed under a "Desna" section in Faiths of Purity, had this section above it:

Faiths of Purity wrote:
The feats detailed below are not necessarily unique to the followers of these gods, but appear far more commonly among the congregations of these gods.

I'd have allowed a follower of Shelyn to use this feat before ISG came along (and it looks like it was OK by the rules).

Would these characters be allowed to select a new feat now, or would they need to use Ultimate Campaign to retrain it? Or, is it possible that in this case Butterfly's Sting is special since it has this section in a prior resource?

3/5

Dylos wrote:
I expect nearly every wizard and sorcerer to have fractions of heal and harm now, it's just that good.

I've had that spell for 10 levels now. It was onna the first ones I got when I hit 5th level.

Grand Lodge 4/5

wakedown wrote:

Since Mike's dropping in on this thread...

What should we do if we see a PC that has Butterfly's Sting (for example) and was using it before Inner Sea Gods came along?

Butterfly's Sting, while listed under a "Desna" section in Faiths of Purity, had this section above it:

Faiths of Purity wrote:
The feats detailed below are not necessarily unique to the followers of these gods, but appear far more commonly among the congregations of these gods.

I'd have allowed a follower of Shelyn to use this feat before ISG came along (and it looks like it was OK by the rules).

Would these characters be allowed to select a new feat now, or would they need to use Ultimate Campaign to retrain it? Or, is it possible that in this case Butterfly's Sting is special since it has this section in a prior resource?

This is already covered in the Guide:

Playtests and Errata wrote:
If a feat or trait changes or is removed from the Additional Resources list: You have two options. First, you may either switch the old feat for an updated feat of the same name in another legal source (if available), ignoring any prerequisites of the new feat you do not meet. Alternatively, you may replace the feat entirely with another feat for which you meet all the prerequisites.

It looks like you can either keep it, regardless of your deity, or swap it for another feat you qualify for.

3/5

if I had to guess, I'd guess that they'll make non-Desnans swap it out for free, per the PSGTOP

Liberty's Edge 5/5

There is going to be a FAQ as mike stated above. Before any freak outs just wait and see what it says please.

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis

Alright, I need some help here. I just picked up ISG yesterday, and I read through parts of it. I'm pretty excited by it.

BUT...

My main character in PFS is a cleric of Arshea (Empyreal Lord.) How does my character become an Evangelist, Exalted, or Seeker? Those PrCs are available to my character, but because Arshea is not one of the Big 20, obediences aren't defined for her, nor are the boons. So, what, I could take one of the PrCs provided I meet the pre-reqs and then don't get the boons because they aren't defined?

In the section about other deities, it says that GMs and players should work together to come up with appropriate obdiences and boons, but there's no way that's going to fly in PFS (nor should it.)

Am I just missing something, because if I have read this right, this book offers this character pretty much nothing.

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis

Mark Stratton wrote:

Alright, I need some help here. I just picked up ISG yesterday, and I read through parts of it. I'm pretty excited by it.

BUT...

My main character in PFS is a cleric of Arshea (Empyreal Lord.) How does my character become an Evangelist, Exalted, or Seeker? Those PrCs are available to my character, but because Arshea is not one of the Big 20, obediences aren't defined for her, nor are the boons. So, what, I could take one of the PrCs provided I meet the pre-reqs and then don't get the boons because they aren't defined?

In the section about other deities, it says that GMs and players should work together to come up with appropriate obdiences and boons, but there's no way that's going to fly in PFS (nor should it.)

Am I just missing something, because if I have read this right, this book offers this character pretty much nothing.

For some reason, I cannot edit or delete my posting above, but it appears the info I am looking for is in Chronicle of the Righteous. So, pardon my idiocy while I go sit in the corner and read some more.

:)

Shadow Lodge

Mark Stratton wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:

Alright, I need some help here. I just picked up ISG yesterday, and I read through parts of it. I'm pretty excited by it.

BUT...

My main character in PFS is a cleric of Arshea (Empyreal Lord.) How does my character become an Evangelist, Exalted, or Seeker? Those PrCs are available to my character, but because Arshea is not one of the Big 20, obediences aren't defined for her, nor are the boons. So, what, I could take one of the PrCs provided I meet the pre-reqs and then don't get the boons because they aren't defined?

In the section about other deities, it says that GMs and players should work together to come up with appropriate obdiences and boons, but there's no way that's going to fly in PFS (nor should it.)

Am I just missing something, because if I have read this right, this book offers this character pretty much nothing.

For some reason, I cannot edit or delete my posting above, but it appears the info I am looking for is in Chronicle of the Righteous. So, pardon my idiocy while I go sit in the corner and read some more.

:)

Until there is an official ruling saying that you can be an Evangelist of a deity that has an obedience in a different book you cannot use deific obedience for Arshea.

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Dylos wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:
Mark Stratton wrote:

Alright, I need some help here. I just picked up ISG yesterday, and I read through parts of it. I'm pretty excited by it.

BUT...

My main character in PFS is a cleric of Arshea (Empyreal Lord.) How does my character become an Evangelist, Exalted, or Seeker? Those PrCs are available to my character, but because Arshea is not one of the Big 20, obediences aren't defined for her, nor are the boons. So, what, I could take one of the PrCs provided I meet the pre-reqs and then don't get the boons because they aren't defined?

In the section about other deities, it says that GMs and players should work together to come up with appropriate obdiences and boons, but there's no way that's going to fly in PFS (nor should it.)

Am I just missing something, because if I have read this right, this book offers this character pretty much nothing.

For some reason, I cannot edit or delete my posting above, but it appears the info I am looking for is in Chronicle of the Righteous. So, pardon my idiocy while I go sit in the corner and read some more.

:)

Until there is an official ruling saying that you can be an Evangelist of a deity that has an obedience in a different book you cannot use deific obedience for Arshea.

Exactly. The feat you get for Empyreal Lords is "Celestial Obedience" not "Deific Obedience".

If you worship an Empyreal Lord, you can't be an Evangelist, Exalted. or Seeker...but you can be a Mystery Cultist (which is a Prestige Class in Chronicles of the Righteous that is especially for Empyreal Lord worshippers).

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis

Son of a .... I didn't catch the difference in feat names.

I did pick up Chronicle of the Righteous today.

So, I've got an awesome new book of stuff (ISG) that is almost entirely unusable for this character. Awesome.

Thanks for the clarification on the feats! I totally missed that.

Grand Lodge 4/5

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You could always switch deities if you want, perhaps you underwent a revelation and realized that your soul yearns to another celestial being.

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis

Taenia wrote:
You could always switch deities if you want, perhaps you underwent a revelation and realized that your soul yearns to another celestial being.

Yeah, I think that's what I am going to do. Alas, there are no rules about changing deities, so I am trying to find those.

I have read old posts where some think a cleric switching deities would need an atonement, but I don't see it - that character wouldn't be trying to atone with the old deity, they'd be choosing a new deity.

Since there are no rules of which I am aware (either in the core rulebook or the guide to organized play), I presume I can just change (Desna gives the same domains as Arshea, the deity my character currently follows), so I wouldn't need to retrain the domains.

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This new FAQ (which is something I've been waiting for for SO long) might be of help!

3/5

By RAW if you are not a divine spellcaster who gets their power from a specific source (if you don't have domains) you can switch deity or alignment at your own discretion.

Looks like the PFS rule requires an atonement which makes sence is a campaign where everything needs to be tracked.

Horizon Hunters 4/5 5/5 *** Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis

Yeah, I went back but for some reason couldn't edit my post. I did see that in the FAQ. Thanks, everyone!

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