High level martial combos


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I'm looking for powerful/effective high level martial combos of feats, abilities, PoW maneuvers, etc. I'm making an Epic martial and decided that I won't use Epic rules (since most of them suck) and instead of homebrewing I'll just use what's available in an optimal fashion.
No TO or cheese please.
For examples of what kind of effects I'd like to see the combos do, just look at 9th level maneuvers.


Cheese is very subjective. I would give examples, and there are really no feats or combos that emulate martial maneuvers.
In addition you should probably say what type of martial you are playing. As an example you could say sword and board, two handed weapons, or two weapon fighting.

Grand Lodge

I'm willing to help but I also need to know what you consider cheesy and what you consider a martial.

A battle oracle at level with fates favored and magical linage using quicken spell for divine favor is cheesy to some, optimized to others, and under optimized for damage and manuevers to others yet. I will say it s great build though.


Stunning Fist (or Stunning Critical) + Dastardly Finish looks a bit like a high-level maneuver. Staggering Critical + Medusa's Wrath (ideally as a monk bonus feat) likewise. The Weapon Sacrifice advanced weapon training option might qualify on its own.

The above are options from 3 different and mostly incompatible classes. You'll need to define what you're going for or else the class you want to take in order for me to give you much help.

For obvious reasons 9th level PoW maneuvers will have the effects of 9th level maneuvers. You don't need combos for that.


A high level eldritch guardian can combine pummeling charge with coordinated charge to be able to have his familiar charge and full attack with unarmed strikes, which causes him to charge and full attack with unarmed strikes as an immediate action. This would leave the fighter in melee range of the victim along with his regular set of full attacks for that round. So, you could get 1 set of familiar attacks and 2 sets of your own attacks, all in one round.

You can combine that with the mutation warrior's flight and a flying familiar to be able to charge almost anywhere.


A high-WIS martial character can use things typically associated with Monk to great effect, and can use things like Ascetic Style, Cornugon Stun and a Ki Focus weapon to use typically unarmed-strike based things with a weapon.

Shaitan Style is an extremely potent attack add-on, and can be used with any weapon.

High-level Fighters have the bonus feats and the special abilities (like Abundant Tactics and Combat Style Mastery) to do a lot of interesting things. Being high-WIS as well as high-STR may cramp ability scores a bit, but WIS is already a very useful secondary ability score.


A Level 12 Barbarian with the Strength Surge and Come and Get Me Rage Powers. Use any maneuver you want without worrying about provoking. If you do provoke, that just means you get another attack! Thanks to Strength Surge, your combat maneuvers will almost always succeed.

If you wanted to increase your CMB even more however, get a +5 Furious Dueling Weapon and a couple of Bane Baldric items. Each Bane baldric gives you 5 non-consecutive rounds of Bane (anything) you can apply to your weapon. With that and Furious, you have an effective +9 enhancement Weapon, which gives you an additional +18 luck bonus on weapon-based maneuvers.

Altogether, that's a +39 on your CMB check. Usable on any weapon-based maneuver, with zero feat expenditure. Sunder happens to be a weapon-based maneuver, so grab Spell Sunder and have fun absolutely annihilating enemy magics.


wraithstrike wrote:
Cheese is very subjective.

Getting big bonuses is okay. Getting infinites (or near infinites) isn't.

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I would give examples, and there are really no feats or combos that emulate martial maneuvers.

They don't need to emulate martial maneuvers. That was just an example of how powerful I'd like the combos to be.

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In addition you should probably say what type of martial you are playing. As an example you could say sword and board, two handed weapons, or two weapon fighting.

You can use any martial. And actually, don't focus too much on my specific request. Sure, I'd like to use your suggestions, but I also want this thread to be useful for people in general, so don't think about any specific build or class, just use whatever you need for the combo.

Grandlounge wrote:

I'm willing to help but I also need to know what you consider cheesy and what you consider a martial.

A battle oracle at level with fates favored and magical linage using quicken spell for divine favor is cheesy to some, optimized to others, and under optimized for damage and manuevers to others yet. I will say it s great build though.

If I understood everything correctly then I would say that, yes, it is a great build, and no, I wouldn't call it cheesy, but no, that's not what I'd call a martial. I mean, if the Divine Power was the only buff, than maybe, but using more magic than that is just a caster playing martial (or gish) and an Oracle is clearly a caster. I don't have an exact definition of "martial". Just try to use as little spells (or psionics) as possible (you can use supernatural stuff, tho).

avr wrote:

Stunning Fist (or Stunning Critical) + Dastardly Finish looks a bit like a high-level maneuver. Staggering Critical + Medusa's Wrath (ideally as a monk bonus feat) likewise. The Weapon Sacrifice advanced weapon training option might qualify on its own.

The above are options from 3 different and mostly incompatible classes. You'll need to define what you're going for or else the class you want to take in order for me to give you much help.

For obvious reasons 9th level PoW maneuvers will have the effects of 9th level maneuvers. You don't need combos for that.

I'd like to reiterate that the maneuver comment was just to give an example, not set up a goal.

The combos look nice.

Melkiador wrote:

A high level eldritch guardian can combine pummeling charge with coordinated charge to be able to have his familiar charge and full attack with unarmed strikes, which causes him to charge and full attack with unarmed strikes as an immediate action. This would leave the fighter in melee range of the victim along with his regular set of full attacks for that round. So, you could get 1 set of familiar attacks and 2 sets of your own attacks, all in one round.

You can combine that with the mutation warrior's flight and a flying familiar to be able to charge almost anywhere.

BadBird wrote:

A high-WIS martial character can use things typically associated with Monk to great effect, and can use things like Ascetic Style, Cornugon Stun and a Ki Focus weapon to use typically unarmed-strike based things with a weapon.

Shaitan Style is an extremely potent attack add-on, and can be used with any weapon.

High-level Fighters have the bonus feats and the special abilities (like Abundant Tactics and Combat Style Mastery) to do a lot of interesting things. Being high-WIS as well as high-STR may cramp ability scores a bit, but WIS is already a very useful secondary ability score.

Kaouse wrote:

A Level 12 Barbarian with the Strength Surge and Come and Get Me Rage Powers. Use any maneuver you want without worrying about provoking. If you do provoke, that just means you get another attack! Thanks to Strength Surge, your combat maneuvers will almost always succeed.

If you wanted to increase your CMB even more however, get a +5 Furious Dueling Weapon and a couple of Bane Baldric items. Each Bane baldric gives you 5 non-consecutive rounds of Bane (anything) you can apply to your weapon. With that and Furious, you have an effective +9 enhancement Weapon, which gives you an additional +18 luck bonus on weapon-based maneuvers.

Altogether, that's a +39 on your CMB check. Usable on any weapon-based maneuver, with zero feat expenditure. Sunder happens to be a weapon-based maneuver, so grab Spell Sunder and have fun absolutely annihilating enemy magics.

Very good.

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