Ogre Crush Feat question

[Atalius]

The prerequisites state: Str 25, Improved Grapple, Improved Unarmed Strike, ogre, size Large or larger.

My question is in regards to the size prerequisite, would I have to get permanent Enlarge? Or could I become temporarily Enlarged and have access to the feat while in that enlarged state, and thus losing it temporarily while being medium sized again.

[KahnyaGnorc]

Yes, you can take it, but you can only use it when you qualify.

This is similar to the question on whether a Synthesist can take Power Attack even if they only qualify for it when in their eidolon suit.

[Atalius]

would you be able to link me where in the Core Rule book is has this line so I may show my GM please.

Doing further research I found this thread:

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2o2ov?Can-you-take-a-feat-before-you-qualify

Which indicates I cannot

[Java Man]

You will not find this in the CRB, all it has is the following:

"Some feats have prerequisites. Your character must have the indicated ability score, class feature, feat, skill, base attack bonus, or other quality designated in order to select or use that feat. A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he gains the prerequisite.

A character can't use a feat if he loses a prerequisite, but he does not lose the feat itself. If, at a later time, he regains the lost prerequisite, he immediately regains full use of the feat that prerequisite enables."

So it is clear how it works when you lose a pq, but not how, or if, you can use something temporary as a pq.

[KahnyaGnorc]

Ah, it was a post by SKR: here Not official-official.

[Atalius]

Just curious who is SKR? Is he like a James Jacobs authority level?

[Cavall]

Are you an ogre? Because if not this is a little moot, given all the pre req.

(Hint, look in front of the large part)

[Java Man]

At the time SKR wrote that he was part of the design team. He has since become not part of the team, so the tag on his posts now reads 'contributor' rather than 'designer' as it did back then.

[Atalius]

Via Racial Heritage yes

[Cavall]

Then basically you'd need to have steady access to a way to become large to take the feat. For instance, knowing enlarge person or having it be permanent on you would be good enough as you could either be large or become it at will.

[Doomed Hero]

The general developer consensus is that in order to qualify for a feat, you have to have had all the prerequisites for 24 hours.

[graystone]

Doomed Hero wrote:

The general developer consensus is that in order to qualify for a feat, you have to have had all the prerequisites for 24 hours.

That's 100% not true.

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

• A brawler can use the feats granted by brawler's flurry to qualify for other feats, but can only use those other feats when using brawler's flurry (as that's the only time she actually meets those prerequisites).

As brawler's flurry in IMPOSSIBLE to have active 24 hours, Jason disagrees with you.

[Create Mr. Pitt]

There is no consensus that you have the prerequisite active for 24 hours. I'd be interested in seeing it if you have one.

[Atalius]

graystone wrote:

Doomed Hero wrote:

The general developer consensus is that in order to qualify for a feat, you have to have had all the prerequisites for 24 hours.

That's 100% not true.

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

• A brawler can use the feats granted by brawler's flurry to qualify for other feats, but can only use those other feats when using brawler's flurry (as that's the only time she actually meets those prerequisites).

As brawler's flurry in IMPOSSIBLE to have active 24 hours, Jason disagrees with you.

Very good point. Another name I am unfamiliar with my apologies, is Jason another Designer?

[Jeraa]

Atalius wrote:

graystone wrote:

Doomed Hero wrote:

The general developer consensus is that in order to qualify for a feat, you have to have had all the prerequisites for 24 hours.

That's 100% not true.

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

• A brawler can use the feats granted by brawler's flurry to qualify for other feats, but can only use those other feats when using brawler's flurry (as that's the only time she actually meets those prerequisites).

As brawler's flurry in IMPOSSIBLE to have active 24 hours, Jason disagrees with you.

Very good point. Another name I am unfamiliar with my apologies, is Jason another Designer?

Jason Bulmahn isn't just another designer, but the lead designer of Pathfinder.

[Cavall]

graystone wrote:

Doomed Hero wrote:

The general developer consensus is that in order to qualify for a feat, you have to have had all the prerequisites for 24 hours.

That's 100% not true.

Jason Bulmahn wrote:

• A brawler can use the feats granted by brawler's flurry to qualify for other feats, but can only use those other feats when using brawler's flurry (as that's the only time she actually meets those prerequisites).

As brawler's flurry in IMPOSSIBLE to have active 24 hours, Jason disagrees with you.

It could be 100% true and your statement could still be true.

After all he said general consensus. Yours is specific.

[Create Mr. Pitt]

General consensus has a different meaning than general v. specific meanings of a rule.

Doomed claimed that it was a general developer consensus that you have to have the prerequisite for 24 hours.

Greystone correctly pointed out that this is not true, and provided a specific example of where the developers discussed how this rule applies to brawler's flurry. This is pretty compelling evidence that there is no general consensus that 24 hours of the prerequisite is required.

Of course, you are literally correct, maybe it is the general consensus. But I have never seen it, and the specific example in the case is strong evidence that there is a lack of such a consensus.

[Doomed Hero]

Well that's new information. Personally, I think it's awesome. I'm glad they revised their stance about feat qualifications.