Quote: This spell wreathes you in shadowy energy and damages those that make melee attacks against you. Any creature that strikes you with its body or a handheld weapon deals normal damage, but at the same time the attacker takes 1d6 points of negative energy damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +15). If the attacker has spell resistance, it applies to this effect. Creatures wielding melee weapons with reach are not subject to this damage. When an attacker takes damage from the spell, you heal a number of hit points equal to 25% of the damage the spell dealt. You cast this and an Undead then attacks you.
So does the Undead heal for 1d6 +1/per your CL each time it hits you?
If it does this seems to be the ultimate healing machine if an Undead Spellcaster casts it and then his minions make a full attack action making subdual attacks.
At least 8 creatures can heal 1d6+CL x their number of attacks. More if natural reach is involved or judicious use of 5' steps are used. Put an Empower on it for more boosting.
Yes, this heals undead.
Yes, this is broken if you have allies that heal from negative energy.
I would think that the caster doesn't heal, after all, the attacker didn't "take damage".
Snowlilly wrote: Yes, this heals undead. Can you point me to a reference that says that negative energy DAMAGE heals undead in general? (or positive energy damage for living creatures)
Maxxx wrote: Snowlilly wrote: Yes, this heals undead. Can you point me to a reference that says that negative energy DAMAGE heals undead in general? (or positive energy damage for living creatures) undead trait say that on negative energy
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/creatureTypes.html#undead
''Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.''
or we can go see cure spell and inflict spell
cure spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a living creature, you channel positive energy that cures 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell deals damage to them instead of curing their wounds. An undead creature can apply spell resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage.''
inflict spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a creature, you channel negative energy that deals 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5).
Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell cures such a creature of a like amount of damage, rather than harming it.''
i think it respond to your question, so yes vampiric shield would heal undead
John Murdock wrote:
undead trait say that on negative energy
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/creatureTypes.html#undead
''Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.''
or we can go see cure spell and inflict spell
cure spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a living creature, you channel positive energy that cures 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell deals damage to them instead of curing their wounds. An undead creature can apply spell resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage.''
inflict spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a creature, you channel negative energy that deals 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5).
Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell cures such a creature of a like amount of damage, rather than harming it.''
i think it respond to your question, so yes vampiric shield would heal undead No, as far as I can see it just says that negative energy has the potential to heal undead (negative energy "can" heal undead creatures). All the spells you list, explicitly list in their spell description how they interact with undead, it is not automatic. Vampiric shield says none of that.
Otherwise I would assume that Disrupt Undead heals living creatures since it is positive energy damage. And I think everyone agrees, that it does not do that.
Maxxx wrote: John Murdock wrote:
undead trait say that on negative energy
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/bestiary/creatureTypes.html#undead
''Cannot heal damage on its own if it has no Intelligence score, although it can be healed. Negative energy (such as an inflict spell) can heal undead creatures. The fast healing special quality works regardless of the creature's Intelligence score.''
or we can go see cure spell and inflict spell
cure spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a living creature, you channel positive energy that cures 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5). Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell deals damage to them instead of curing their wounds. An undead creature can apply spell resistance, and can attempt a Will save to take half damage.''
inflict spell (any kind)
''When laying your hand upon a creature, you channel negative energy that deals 1d8 points of damage + 1 point per caster level (maximum +5).
Since undead are powered by negative energy, this spell cures such a creature of a like amount of damage, rather than harming it.''
i think it respond to your question, so yes vampiric shield would heal undead No, as far as I can see it just says that negative energy has the potential to heal undead (negative energy "can" heal undead creatures). All the spells you list, explicitly list in their spell description how they interact with undead, it is not automatic. Vampiric shield says none of that.
Otherwise I would assume that Disrupt Undead heals living creatures since it is positive energy damage. And I think everyone agrees, that it does not do that. the reason they say can heal is because of some spell that do negative energy damage and does other thing to undead instead like chill touch, and by seeing that disrupt undead do not say it do not heal creature that are fueled by positive energy, so its a infinite healing casting then, but i don't think it was the intention, most of the spell of pathfinder are copies of 3.5 in which lvl 0 spell were limited resource, like the spell repair undead specifically say it do nothing on living unless they are healed by negative energy but its a lvl 1 spell (which is essentially inflict wound but only to heal), so maybe disrupt undead should be a lvl 1 spell and be similar to repair undead
I think this FAQ entry disagrees: FAQ
It says that positive energy can heal the living, but not always, and that negative energy can heal undead, but not always. So unless the effect lists that it heals it does not.
Maxxx wrote: I think this FAQ entry disagrees: FAQ
It says that positive energy can heal the living, but not always, and that negative energy can heal undead, but not always. So unless the effect lists that it heals it does not.
well then they have made a FAQ to say no, its quite clear and in the way a bit sad that those effect do not heal or damage if they don't say they do (except for disrupt undead)
Maxxx wrote: I think this FAQ entry disagrees: FAQ
It says that positive energy can heal the living, but not always, and that negative energy can heal undead, but not always. So unless the effect lists that it heals it does not.
Thanks Maxxx.
The meme :"negative energy always heals undead unless it specifies otherwise" seemed wrong to me and have lots of problems but I hadn't found a rule that definitely showed it wrong.
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