This is just one more thing that shows that you need not much to enrage people on the internet.
And it would help to take them more seriously, if they get the facts straight and would not burn books in protest. Doing that to protest "Cap is a Nazi" is more than a little ironic.
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Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Secret Warriors as well, so maybe you're onto something.To address one last thing: Is it possible that I'm seeing this whole thing differently because I'm a huge fan of SECRET WARRIORS and read it as it came out and have and re-read the huge Omnibus at least twice. And until that guy on Breevort's Tumblr feed mentions it I didnt even consider that it might be influencing my view of how bad/not bad this whole HydraCap thing is.
Maybe that's where the vitriol is coming from on my part, I haven't read anything attached or leading up to it so I have no fan attachment. So I can only see it as what it is, and to me, if it was an attempt at social commentary, it was a failed attempt, so i can only see it for what it currently is, despite the author's intentions.
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Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Secret Warriors as well, so maybe you're onto something.
My only quibble with the excellent Secret Warriors was that Alexander Pierces boring team of nobodies lived, while the fascinating team led by Mikel Fury are gone. I really wanted to see more about the woman with the Mace of Aeshma (Sandra Murphy? I could be making that up, 'cause that sounds like someone from the Dresden Files...), Flashback's time-manipulating kids, Carlos Ayala, etc.
No it is not mindcontrol because the cube changed reality, so Cap is loyal to hydra. So it is much more powerful then mindcontrol.But he was changed regardless how.
And about Mjölnir currently nobody knows what makes someone worthy.
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For citizens it's not ironic to protest by burning something (kinda dumb of you since you had to gave them your money to do so so your supporting it, Harry Potter bonfires down here were hilarious like that), it's protest.
When the Government does it it's fascism, most of the pictures of Nazi book and file burning? LGBT related studies and medical records.
No one may not what exactly makes someone "worthy" of the hammer but I've always seen it as good and noble, and until they state that nope, hammer evil now, I'll believe that, which is why this chaffes even more.
Maybe that's where the vitriol is coming from on my part, I haven't read anything attached or leading up to it so I have no fan attachment. So I can only see it as what it is, and to me, if it was an attempt at social commentary, it was a failed attempt, so i can only see it for what it currently is, despite the author's intentions.Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Secret Warriors as well, so maybe you're onto something.To address one last thing: Is it possible that I'm seeing this whole thing differently because I'm a huge fan of SECRET WARRIORS and read it as it came out and have and re-read the huge Omnibus at least twice. And until that guy on Breevort's Tumblr feed mentions it I didnt even consider that it might be influencing my view of how bad/not bad this whole HydraCap thing is.
you need thread the background stuff on this. Without it, then yes...white nationalist takes over at semi beloved comic company to espouse nationalistic views, film at 11.
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you need thread the background stuff on this. Without it, then yes...white nationalist takes over at semi beloved comic company to espouse nationalistic views, film at 11.Maybe that's where the vitriol is coming from on my part, I haven't read anything attached or leading up to it so I have no fan attachment. So I can only see it as what it is, and to me, if it was an attempt at social commentary, it was a failed attempt, so i can only see it for what it currently is, despite the author's intentions.Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Secret Warriors as well, so maybe you're onto something.To address one last thing: Is it possible that I'm seeing this whole thing differently because I'm a huge fan of SECRET WARRIORS and read it as it came out and have and re-read the huge Omnibus at least twice. And until that guy on Breevort's Tumblr feed mentions it I didnt even consider that it might be influencing my view of how bad/not bad this whole HydraCap thing is.
I shouldn't have to. No one should. Since apparently even if I did all it would do is translate into "Comicbook writer's social commentary fauxpas beloved by white nationalists, fim at 11"
I also don't see what all that would change really though. Captain America will still be a Nazi, and Magneto, a Holocasut survivor, will be working with Nazis.
So no I don't need to read a different comic to "understand" this one, this one needed to not suck and fail at what it was attempting to do.
you need thread the background stuff on this. Without it, then yes...white nationalist takes over at semi beloved comic company to espouse nationalistic views, film at 11.Maybe that's where the vitriol is coming from on my part, I haven't read anything attached or leading up to it so I have no fan attachment. So I can only see it as what it is, and to me, if it was an attempt at social commentary, it was a failed attempt, so i can only see it for what it currently is, despite the author's intentions.Well, I'm a HUGE fan of Secret Warriors as well, so maybe you're onto something.To address one last thing: Is it possible that I'm seeing this whole thing differently because I'm a huge fan of SECRET WARRIORS and read it as it came out and have and re-read the huge Omnibus at least twice. And until that guy on Breevort's Tumblr feed mentions it I didnt even consider that it might be influencing my view of how bad/not bad this whole HydraCap thing is.
I shouldn't have to. No one should. Since apparently even if I did all it would do is translate into "Comicbook writer's social commentary fauxpas beloved by white nationalists, fim at 11"
I also don't see what all that would change really though. Captain America will still be a Nazi, and Magneto, a Holocasut survivor, will be working with Nazis.
it pains me to do so, but I must disagree. Something this against the grain would encourage me to do some research into what's going on to better judge the storyline. But that's just me, I guess.
Grr, typo, I meant to say you need to READ what came before, not thread it.
I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
The most I see it doing would be me thinking more that it's a Social Commentary, which also wouldn't change that fact that it has utterly failed in that regard.
to be fair, make no mistake- the storyline could still be awful. Truly terrible. But I would scratch the skin of it to determine more.
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
The thing is, if you'd read it, you would find out that this is not what happens in the comic. Again, Captain America: Steve Rogers #17:
Given what the mutants just went through, it is obvious that Rogers doesn't need to explicitely point out the alternative that would be the utter destruction of the mutant community right away.
So there's no working together. It's just: stay out of my business and I'll let you live just a bit longer.
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
The most I see it doing would be me thinking more that it's a Social Commentary, which also wouldn't change that fact that it has utterly failed in that regard.
Just to be clear, you haven't read it, you don't intend to read it, you don't think you need to read it, but you're sure you're justified in disputing people who are reading it who say it isn't like you think it is?
Okay.
I have seen screencaps of the relevant pages of Secret Empire, so it's not like I'm operating entirely on other's synopsis, which I have also read multiples of, even here in this thread nothing anyone has said has contradicted the storyline presented thus far, the disagreement is over authorial intent.
(And the "don't have to" was in regards to Secret Warriors, what couould it do to placate my complaints?)
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.The thing is, if you'd read it, you would find out that this is not what happens in the comic. Again, Captain America: Steve Rogers #17:
** spoiler omitted **
So there's no working together. It's just: stay out of my business and I'll let you live just a bit longer.
That still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as that's basically saying "select a few to save and leave everyone to the same fate that happened to you and everyone you knew all those years ago" instead of fighting against it.
I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
The most I see it doing would be me thinking more that it's a Social Commentary, which also wouldn't change that fact that it has utterly failed in that regard.
Just to be clear, you haven't read it, you don't intend to read it, you don't think you need to read it, but you're sure you're justified in disputing people who are reading it who say it isn't like you think it is?
Okay.
I have seen screencaps of the relevant pages of Secret Empire, so it's not like I'm operating entirely on other's synopsis, which I have also read multiples of, even here in this thread nothing anyone has said has contradicted the storyline presented thus far, the disagreement is over authorial intent.
(And the "don't have to" was in regards to Secret Warriors, what couould it do to placate my complaints?)
are you sure those screenshots aren't meant to bias you towards the storyline in general? I remember seeing similar things in civil war, some of which were blatant fabrications. Do you trust the source?
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened. Hydra's not Nazis. The organization worked with Nazis, like, fifty years ago, but so did lots of people, like Volkswagon and Siemens, and most of the people involved are dead now.
As for Magneto, he's where moral relativism goes to die. He's killed hundreds, if not thousands. He's worked with people who built Sentinels. He's not only worked with racists and supremacists, he *is one.* His history is a mess. He used to be Romani, now he's Jewish. His first name is either Magnus, Erik or Max, depending on what mood he's in when you ask. He used to be Wanda and Pietro's dad, now he's not. He is Lorna's dad, this week, but not her sister Zala's dad? I don't even know. In House of M he was practically the Fuhrer, complete with armbands and uniforms on his troops. If some writer gets the urge, he'll dig up the bones of Hitler and wear them as a fancy hat while ranting about a thousand-year reign of mutantkind over the lesser races. I don't even care anymore what Magneto claims to stand for. He's a nut.
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are you sure those screenshots aren't meant to bias you towards the storyline in general? I remember seeing similar things in civil war, some of which were blatant fabrications. Do you trust the source?I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
The most I see it doing would be me thinking more that it's a Social Commentary, which also wouldn't change that fact that it has utterly failed in that regard.
Just to be clear, you haven't read it, you don't intend to read it, you don't think you need to read it, but you're sure you're justified in disputing people who are reading it who say it isn't like you think it is?
Okay.
I have seen screencaps of the relevant pages of Secret Empire, so it's not like I'm operating entirely on other's synopsis, which I have also read multiples of, even here in this thread nothing anyone has said has contradicted the storyline presented thus far, the disagreement is over authorial intent.
(And the "don't have to" was in regards to Secret Warriors, what couould it do to placate my complaints?)
I do trust the source yes, and as days past with more people able to read the issue released at the time and comment on it it just backs the screencaps up. Again everything posted in this thread has aligned with what I've read regarding the storyline itself, it's just author intent that's up for debate.
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Um...
Does anyone actually think that Nick Spenser is a white nationalist Neo-Nazi because of this HydraCap thing? If so, I think that's actually kind of unfair and reductive. I don't even really like Nick Spenser's writing but throughout his tenure on the two Cap books I ever thought he was condoning or stating that HydraCap is totally in the right and Nazism is cool. If anything he's guilty of being gun shy when it comes to HydraCap's actually ethos. Is he just a generic authoritarian who wants to takeover the world for the greater or is he a genuine Nazi who wants to wipe out mutants, indoctrinate children, and build concentration camps. From my assessment it constantly changes from issue to issue that is bad. The guy wants to ape Nazi imagery for shock value and but at the same time wants to make HydraCap slightly reasonable in a Doctor Doom kind of way. Regardless, in both of these depictions I never felt that I was supposed to believe that HydraCap is good and just in things he's doing and I think Nick Spenser wanted that to be what I felt. So no I don't think he's a Neo-Nazi for that reasonable and because I doubt a Neo-Nazi would want their Mary Sue author vessel to lose by the end of Secret Empire and be replaced by some non-Nazi counterpart.
That all said, I get why so many people are angry about this. Captain America actually matters to them as a character and in that way he's something of a sacred cow whose political statements and actions have extra weight because he is Captain f@~#ing America. Even if this isn't the time he's been turned into a Nazi it still is going to irk people who have such close relationship with the character and history. I don't have that problem because I typically take a nihilistic view of mainstream superhero comics and just wait until the reset finally comes around and we move to things I actually like, but I suppose that not everyone can do that.
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened. Hydra's not Nazis. The organization worked with Nazis, like, fifty years ago, but so did lots of people, like Volkswagon and Siemens, and most of the people involved are dead now.
As for Magneto, he's where moral relativism goes to die. He's killed hundreds, if not thousands. He's worked with people who built Sentinels. He's not only worked with racists and supremacists, he *is one.* His history is a mess. He used to be Romani, now he's Jewish. His first name is either Magnus, Erik or Max, depending on what mood he's in when you ask. He used to be Wanda and Pietro's dad, now he's not. He is Lorna's dad, this week, but not her sister Zala's dad? I don't even know. In House of M he was practically the Fuhrer, complete with armbands and uniforms on his troops. If some writer gets the urge, he'll dig up the bones of Hitler and wear them as a fancy hat while ranting about a thousand-year reign of mutantkind over the lesser races. I don't even care anymore what Magneto claims to stand for. He's a nut.
But whereas those companies have (hopefully) changed Hydra is an evil terorist organization that has roots in Nazis. Today they're still an evil terroist organization, so trying to distance themselves by claiming they're not Nazis isn't really throwing the stick that far.
As for Magneto that's true, he like all comic book characters is heavily dependent on the writer, but his origin as a holocaust survivor hasn't really changed.
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That still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, as that's basically saying "select a few to save and leave everyone to the same fate that happened to you and everyone you knew all those years ago" instead of fighting against it.
Well I don't think that it's terribly out of character for Erik not to care too much about homo sapiens. I'm not defending his decision (especially as I'm firmly in the Xavier camp on this matter), but I'm not expecting him to pick a fight to defend humanity when he used to conisder humanity as his enemy. So when he has to choose between the well-being of his own people and the well-being of the rest of humanity, I guess we all know what he will choose, especially if it helps him prepare for the eventual confrontation he knows will coming some time.
(And the "don't have to" was in regards to Secret Warriors, what couould it do to placate my complaints?)
I think the main point is that the development doesn't come totally out of the blue. It isn't just Nick Spencer promoting his own agenda no matter the cost, it's him building on what came before. It's kinda like with Hickman's Secret Wars event. Sure, you can read it without what came before, but to truly understand what's going on there, you will basically have to have read everything he wrote before (which coincidentally leads us back to his Secret Warriors run he co-wrote with Bendis).
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I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened. Hydra's not Nazis. The organization worked with Nazis, like, fifty years ago, but so did lots of people, like Volkswagon and Siemens, and most of the people involved are dead now.
As for Magneto, he's where moral relativism goes to die. He's killed hundreds, if not thousands. He's worked with people who built Sentinels. He's not only worked with racists and supremacists, he *is one.* His history is a mess. He used to be Romani, now he's Jewish. His first name is either Magnus, Erik or Max, depending on what mood he's in when you ask. He used to be Wanda and Pietro's dad, now he's not. He is Lorna's dad, this week, but not her sister Zala's dad? I don't even know. In House of M he was practically the Fuhrer, complete with armbands and uniforms on his troops. If some writer gets the urge, he'll dig up the bones of Hitler and wear them as a fancy hat while ranting about a thousand-year reign of mutantkind over the lesser races. I don't even care anymore what Magneto claims to stand for. He's a nut.
to me, he has stared into the abyss too long. He has become what he fought against.
I don't really know what I could read that would make me seeing a Holocaust survivor working with Nazis as acceptable.
Fortunately, that hasn't happened. Hydra's not Nazis. The organization worked with Nazis, like, fifty years ago, but so did lots of people, like Volkswagon and Siemens, and most of the people involved are dead now.
As for Magneto, he's where moral relativism goes to die. He's killed hundreds, if not thousands. He's worked with people who built Sentinels. He's not only worked with racists and supremacists, he *is one.* His history is a mess. He used to be Romani, now he's Jewish. His first name is either Magnus, Erik or Max, depending on what mood he's in when you ask. He used to be Wanda and Pietro's dad, now he's not. He is Lorna's dad, this week, but not her sister Zala's dad? I don't even know. In House of M he was practically the Fuhrer, complete with armbands and uniforms on his troops. If some writer gets the urge, he'll dig up the bones of Hitler and wear them as a fancy hat while ranting about a thousand-year reign of mutantkind over the lesser races. I don't even care anymore what Magneto claims to stand for. He's a nut.
But whereas those companies have (hopefully) changed Hydra is an evil terorist organization that has roots in Nazis. Today they're still an evil terroist organization, so trying to distance themselves by claiming they're not Nazis isn't really throwing the stick that far.
As for Magneto that's true, he like all comic book characters is heavily dependent on the writer, but his origin as a holocaust survivor hasn't really changed.
The thing about Magneto is that, while the origin as a holocaust survivor has been constant, it's been pretty common thing that he's taken exactly the wrong lesson from it. He's taken the "My people (mutants) must be strong and conquer to avoid that happening to them" idea.
As Set says, he has been a racist, a mutant supremacist, an...
yeah, this.
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Is he just a generic authoritarian who wants to takeover the world for the greater or is he a genuine Nazi who wants to wipe out mutants, indoctrinate children, and build concentration camps.
[I think I'll point again at Brevoort's tumblr feed Shin was mentioning before. Brevoort quite acurately describes what I see as Spencer's intention as well. Namely how easily it is to pervert good intentions if you take away the morality behind it. I already applauded Spencer for changing Rogers without actually changing him before when he was defending Spider-Miles against Captain Marvel during CW 2 and throughout the whole run, again and again, Spencer let's Cap America say things he probably could have said before he got remodeled by Kobik. That's exactly what makes him so dangerous and why basically no one mistrusted him before it was way too late.
No it is not mindcontrol because the cube changed reality, so Cap is loyal to hydra. So it is much more powerful then mindcontrol.But he was changed regardless how.
And about Mjölnir currently nobody knows what makes someone worthy.
According to Jason Aaron's take, Worthiness is determined how strongly you Believe in what you are doing. Original Thor doubted himself after the Gorr the Godbutcher affair,(which was a rip-off of Desak the Godslayer from the older Thor run), and when Wathcher Nick Fury told him that "Gorr was Right" it confirmed Original Thor's doubts and thus he became "unworthy". Total BS in my opinion. Jason Aaron has shown he has NO interest in continuity. His ultimate travesty was retelling Mjolnir's origin story as a chauvinistic, control bit about Odin wanting to control a primordial storm elemental. Further keeping with his support of feminist pandering. In the Unworthy Thor story arc, it was heavily implied that Original Thor would redeem himself and claim the Mjolnir from the Ultimate's Universe. That was a total waste. Even though Original Thor was able to tap into the other hammer's powers, he chose not to take it. Claiming, "this hammer belongs to Another Thor". More utter BS. Now there is going to be a third Knock-off Thor. If Original Thor doesn't get his hammer back and get back to where he's supposed to be. I'm quitting Marvel comics. I've already cut off all of my Avengers and any other Marvel books. The BS pandering has to stop.
For citizens it's not ironic to protest by burning something (kinda dumb of you since you had to gave them your money to do so so your supporting it, Harry Potter bonfires down here were hilarious like that), it's protest.
When the Government does it it's fascism, most of the pictures of Nazi book and file burning? LGBT related studies and medical records.
No one may not what exactly makes someone "worthy" of the hammer but I've always seen it as good and noble, and until they state that nope, hammer evil now, I'll believe that, which is why this chaffes even more.
Most of the book burning of the Nazis were writers that were "worthless" in their eyes. Mostly jewish writers and others that did not match their ideology.
And yes burning books in protest of "Nazi Cap" looks a little ironic to stay nice.
Also I'm with Rysky when I think Spencer has pretty much ruined anything fun or exciting with Cap by doing this. I say that after I've gone through it all.
Also solicits apparently shows that Eternity breaks free thanks to an assist from Ultimate Marvel Iron Man, Cap, and probably Ultimate Hank Pym.
So...take that as you will.
You know the only way to redeem this story line is to have Hydra Cap be the proto facist Ultimate Captain America.
In regards to the last two things it's been revealed that it's not really mind control. And even if it was Captain Hydra is still apparently worthy to wield Mjolnir, so uh, wtf?
I assume that's going to be explained later... Between the Cube rewriting reality... and them getting Scarlet Witch RIGHT before picking it up...
HydraCap lifting the hammer is worthless in my eyes. The last two years alone with Mjolnir tells me that lifting it isn't the same as it used to be.
You know the only way to redeem this story line is to have Hydra Cap be the proto facist Ultimate Captain America.Also I'm with Rysky when I think Spencer has pretty much ruined anything fun or exciting with Cap by doing this. I say that after I've gone through it all.
Also solicits apparently shows that Eternity breaks free thanks to an assist from Ultimate Marvel Iron Man, Cap, and probably Ultimate Hank Pym.
So...take that as you will.
I'm kinda digging that idea.
But only kinda.
I like ulti-cap. Because he was an ass by modern standards. But he was a lot truer to his time period than any other captain America I have ever seen. Had choice words for bigots, communists, and overall people who did not go with the American way of life but overall left them alone, if they attempted to make any hostile moves, he was taking them down. Hard. It would be interesting if it was him.
I don't see Ultimate Cap being the one to save this story.
As for Magneto choosing Mutants over humans? Not that huge of a leap. While I'm sure he doesn't trust HYDRA, atm he and the rest of the Mutants in New Tian probably are building up their forces. I don't see Magneto taking this lying down. He's too damn pro-active to accept ANYTHING Hydra or anyone else does at face value. So yeah while he might accept the deal, it's not a deal he's going to honor because he knows HYDRA won't honor it either.
As for Beardinator's points...I don't agree with them but I do see what he's saying for the more 'hardcore' fans.
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Yeah, the Magneto thing sounds like a non-issue. If anything I consider it lousy simply because he's done it all before. This isn't anything NEW for him...
Asteroid M, Avalon, Genosha... He's constantly setting up mutant safe havens where he tries and fails to protect them from the evil human racists.
And that's the issue there... Magneto naturally hates Nazis... but he considers ALL humans to be Nazis now. They are all racist governments out to wipe his people out with their sentinels and therefore wages a war against humans/Homo Sapiens/Flatscans without recognizing the hypocrisy there.
I like ulti-cap. Because he was an ass by modern standards. But he was a lot truer to his time period than any other captain America I have ever seen. Had choice words for bigots, communists, and overall people who did not go with the American way of life but overall left them alone, if they attempted to make any hostile moves, he was taking them down. Hard. It would be interesting if it was him.
Speaking as someone who had a large number of family members from that time period he was an ass by that standard too. Mind you part of my family history is a bit odd and weirdly related to Jack Kirby but still....
Also you seem to be forgetting most of the actions and stuff he was involved in tended to veer even right of Hydra Cap or was worst. Mind you they may have fixed that at some point but ooo god the Ultimate universe at its worst made Hydra Cap look good.
Wormy,
I'm giving it more a chance now that we have two Steve Rogers. But we'll see what that means when Secret Empire #3 comes out this Wednesday.
Phantom,
Yeah pretty much. I mean this is just him getting the mutants ready for the inevitable counter strike that's coming.
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Wormy,
I'm giving it more a chance now that we have two Steve Rogers. But we'll see what that means when Secret Empire #3 comes out this Wednesday.
Hmm, having read SE #3,
Apart from that I have to give a shout out to Andrea Sorrentino. I already liked his work on DC's I, Vampire a lot but between Old Man Logan and Secret Empire his art has really grown on me, so at the moment he's my favorite artist besides Maleev.
Wormy,
SE #3 does seem to suggest what you're suggesting. What really annoyed me was Maria Hill. But then again... Interesting though to see Frank Castle choose a side, but not necessarily (out of character for him anyway) to pick that side.
What REALLY puzzles me now is how the hell did Ultron-Pym get back to earth. And did he REALLY Ultron-ize Jarvis?!
Also interesting is where Namor falls into this. Plus you know more
HYDRA Avengers stuff.
It was interesting to see Sam Wilson getting back to his social worker roots, even if I think he should just accept being an under ground freedom fighter along with getting people out of the country.
Watching Nat train these Champions into killers wasn't fun. But I'm glad to see a few bad guys (or at least the ones the Champions fought) aren't comfortable working with HYDRA.
Deadpool trying to kill Coulson was bad, but I don't think Coulson is dead though. At least...I hope not!
I honestly find it refreshing to see Baron Mordo running New York with the use of the Darkhold AND the Sanctum. Plus more under the Dark force bubble is always good.
Non-SE stuff,
Jen walter's new Hulk form comes from her own fears. Which makes sense. She had that but always managed to move past it. I guess the traumas of being blow up and having your closest blood relative die (or at least one she was obviously very protective of) would do that.
Old man Wolverine apparently figured out that you can't change the past but you can at least tell Iceman to come find you.
Thanos apparently might not be 100% but he's clearly needed to deal with Phoenix Thane.
Earth-65 is weird. First Logan goes by Mister Murder fists then Kitty Pryde is a contract killer for SHIELD?! Wow. But in any case we get some nice nods regardless.
I REALLY liked the ending for Moon Knight's series. It was confusing at times sure, but like the character, it's all about perception. Regardless I think we have a more stable character coming along in future issues.
Occupy Avengers is pretty uneven, but we'll see once they tie into SE how it rolls.
Cable fighting Samurais with Lightsabres and Laser arrows was okay but I still don't feel like I know the reason he's doing this. I'll give it a few more issues.
Generation X has a nice vibe to it. Especially even if I hate Quentin Quire. But that's also the reason I think to love this series. That and to see the other students develop further.
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Cable fighting Samurais with Lightsabres and Laser arrows was okay but I still don't feel like I know the reason he's doing this. I'll give it a few more issues.
I liked the first issue, but I don't pretend that I unterstood what it was all about. I'm fine though with it going directly into action and not wasting time with setup.
Generation X has a nice vibe to it. Especially even if I hate Quentin Quire. But that's also the reason I think to love this series. That and to see the other students develop further.
Same here (though I don't hate Quire).
Wormy,
Well maybe HATE is a strong word for Quire. But he's often an acquired taste. I do like Bling! and Eyeboy though.
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Mister MURDERFISTS?!
SERIOUSLY?!
I don't know whether to laugh, cry, or think that is the most AWESOME code name I have heard in a long time.
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Wormy,
Well maybe HATE is a strong word for Quire. But he's often an acquired taste. I do like Bling! and Eyeboy though.
Hate Quentin quire sooooooo much.
If he and Damien killed each other off, I would buy you all the first round.
Freehold,
For a while there I wouldn't have agreed with you. After Teen Titans Annual this year? Yeah I'm with you.
But yes, Mister Murderfists is Logan's codename on Earth-65. He's also a SHIELD contract killer. Him and Kitty Pryde (going by her Shadowcat moniker) are rivals but not like enemies.
So am I the only concerned as to how Ultron-Pym made back? Or is that just something else I should worry about?
I'll go out on a limb and guess that, as U-P suggested when we last thought him gone, they'd just wait a bit then let themselves get thrown out of the sun on a neutrino. Neutrino makes it to Earth, and ...here we go again. That or something similar.
Lathiira,
So you're suggestion is some how the neutrino made it before the interplanetary shield went up? Or while it was up? Because if the later, that's pretty HUGE in terms of letting something through that shouldn't.
Lathiira,
So you're suggestion is some how the neutrino made it before the interplanetary shield went up? Or while it was up? Because if the later, that's pretty HUGE in terms of letting something through that shouldn't.
Haven't been keeping up lately, so I'm giving one possible idea, based on what I read at the end of 'The Man who Fell to Earth' graphic novel. And Chris is right; neutrinos can be stopped, but normally just go right through most matter. A shield could or could not stop them, who knows? Merely an idea.
Mm okay well I guess then since neutrinos can't be stopped than probably if they got Owen Reece to show up, then he could do something to the shield.
But thanks for clarifying that for me guys.