New DUNE movie greenlit from director of ARRIVAL and BLADE RUNNER 2049

[Thomas Seitz]

Eh. Shang-chi is doing better...plus there's still Spider-man No Way Home...

[dirtypool]

So is No Time To Die

[Thomas Seitz]

True. I just figured that on the scale of things, Shang-chi is higher than Dune. But I still think No Way Home will outpace and perform Shang-chi.

[dirtypool]

Oh many things are higher than Dune, I expect both The Matrix and Spider-Man to shove it even further down.

[Thomas Seitz]

True.

[Quark Blast]

I think the $80 million in hype for Spidey might just push it into the Top 5 but I'm not so sure the Matrix retread will survive the viral program known as Omicron, and will thus make a pale effort and wished it'd taken the Blue Pill instead.

[Quark Blast]

Then there's this good start....

Golden Globes

Best Director, Motion Picture:
Denis Villeneuve (“Dune”)

Best Original Score, Motion Picture:
“Dune” (Warner Bros.) — Hans Zimmer

Best Motion Picture, Drama:
“Dune” (Warner Bros.)

[dirtypool]

Not that great a start for someone who swore up and down for two years that the cast was a mortal lock come award season.

[Thomas Seitz]

Yeah. I mean my guys at Wandavision have nominations...

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

Yeah. I mean my guys at Wandavision have nominations...

Srsly? Whoa! I mean, it's only for TV but still.

:D

Gotta wonder too if a movie can be "best" in the drama category and "best" in the director category, how is it the principal actors don't even get a nom?

"Best" drama requires stellar dramatic acting and if a director isn't directing actors there's much less to do. It's almost as if the system is rigged somehow?

Takes a peek behind the curtain and recoils in horror!

:D

[dirtypool]

Or the performances just weren’t that good.

[Thomas Seitz]

Certainly that, dirtypool.

[Quark Blast]

Note to self:
Some people consider Rebecca Ferguson, Oscar Isaac, Stellan Skarsgård, Josh Brolin, Javier Bardem, and Charlotte Rampling (among others) 'just not that good'. Got it.
<eyeroll>

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Or just not that good in this re: Oscar Isaac X-Men Apocalypse. Some people with regards to Dune being the Hollywood Foreign Press Association.

And they liked Javier Bardem's performance enough to nominate him...in another movie

Noted

[Thomas Seitz]

I mean I like Javier Bardem...just not sure it's in this movie.

(Also I liked Oscar Issace as Apocalypse. They just had a crappy script.)

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

(I did not. Performance did not rise above crappy script for me.)

[dirtypool]

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt that what I said was not deliberately misread so as to further some dismissive/argumentative agenda. Further, having engaged in this thread with you for some time, I am aware that you declared these would be award worthy performances a full two years before you even saw the film, so I have to imagine we're confronting a little bit of bias here as well.

Allow me to clarify my statement

"Or the performances just weren’t that good."

By performances I am talking about the individual performances in the roles as written for 2021's Dune. I am not making a qualitative judgement of the actors themselves.

By "that good" I am talking about Golden Globe caliber.

It is possible to think an actor is good, even great, and still recognize that they were not worthy of an award for a particular performance.

[Quark Blast]

Looking at the movies that will beat Dune at the BO this year and not a one of them will be talked about this time next year, let alone five years from now. With Part 2, Dune will sit in the very top tier of sci-fi movies. Statements like the following are replete among movie buffs:

Quote:

It's glorious and amazing and so much better than I thought it would be, and I was expecting it to be great considering the director's track record and the cast. Might end up being my favorite movie of the year, or if not my favorite, it's for sure in my top 3.

At any rate, none of the posts responds properly to the assertion that it makes no sense that a nominated "Best Drama", by a nominated "Best Director", can somehow employ a script and actors that don't rate mention. Like, where's the drama without stellar acting? And why would one get nominated for directing a steaming pile of acting?

No, I think it has far more to do with long-standing industry bias against the genre.

[dirtypool]

The tendency for Marvel films to continue to be relevant almost guarantees that people will still be talking about Shang Chi, The Eternals and Spider-Man for some time to come.

As to properly addressing your assertion - the simple idea that the Hollywood Foreign Press felt the nominated performances were stronger than Dune’s and that is a statement about the other films rather than it is about Dune.

[Thomas Seitz]

dirtypool,

I think of the three movies you mentioned, honestly I think Shang Chi and Spider-man No Way Home are going to remain firmly entrenched in peoples mind. But I could be wrong.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

And sometimes best director is because of the technical merits of pulling a movie together, particularly large scale large cast technical epics. Movies are more than performances.

[Thomas Seitz]

some times yes, Tristan. Some times no.

[Marc Radle]

Pretty sure Spider Man No Way Home will be talked about years from now.

[Thomas Seitz]

I'm siding with Marc on this one, even if I haven't seen it YET.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Sometimes no Thomas, sometimes yes.

[Thomas Seitz]

Wait are you re-using my words against me now, Tristan?

[Irontruth]

Maybe yes, Thomas, maybe no.

[Thomas Seitz]

Don't you start Iron...

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Maybe it appears so, maybe it doesn't.

[Quark Blast]

Eternals is already forgotten. Same with BW. They didn't make their investment back on either of those. Dune it would seem is too intellectual for the mass market, yet it still managed to close in on half a billion dollars.

[Thomas Seitz]

...Some times I think I'm in hell...

[dirtypool]

I don’t think most people consider 390 million “closing in on half a billion”

I would call it “slightly more than half of what Spider-Man made in six days”

[Thomas Seitz]

I thought it was four...but yeah dirtypool. Spider-man no way Home is clear head and shoulders above this years MCU movie releases.

[dirtypool]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I thought it was four

Official open was Thursday, but there were Wednesday evening showings in some markets and current totals include presale tickets for today which is day 6.

No matter how you’re counting - it took Spider-Man a long weekend to do double what Dune did in almost 3 months.

[Quark Blast]

Thomas Seitz wrote:

I thought it was four...but yeah dirtypool. Spider-man no way Home is clear head and shoulders above this years MCU movie releases.

Something over $100 M for the streaming service take. Like, $106 M last I heard.

[dirtypool]

How is that number arrived at? Black Widow and movies handled like it had streaming totals because there was an additional fee to watch. HBO Max had no additional fee placed on any of its 2021 Streaming/Theatrical releases.

Googling “Dune 100 million HBO Max” pulls up no sites in the first six pages that make such a claim.

Articles from Variety, Screen Rant, EW all mention the box office draw as being in spite of the non earning day and date HBO Max release.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Quark Blast wrote:

The movie has a real shot at these Oscar categories, in no particular order:

Best Original Score

Best Adapted Screenplay

Best Cinematography

Best Director

Best Picture

Best Film Editing

Best Sound Editing

Best Sound Mixing

Best Costume Design

Best Art Direction

Best Visual Effects

Best Actor - Timothée Chalamet

Best Supporting Actor - Oscar Isaac

Best Actress - Rebecca Ferguson

Best Supporting Actress - Sharon Duncan-Brewster

Me? I'm just waiting for it to pull in these what? 15 nominations. And Wins. I mean I hear "it's got a real shot" at these 15 categories. A Real Shot. Goosbumps. Up and down my arms at the prospect.

[Thomas Seitz]

Tristan,

You might be waiting a while...I doubt it will get more than some best visual effects, best sounding edition and maybe best cinematography.

[Quark Blast]

The most likely options are:

Best Costume Design

Best Picture

Best Original Score

Best Adapted Screenplay

Best Cinematography

Best Director

Then again, given the ratings drop over the past several years it might not matter.

Then again, given that the system is rigged, who knows what the real odds are. Fellowship was the best of the three PJ LotR movies and yet it was RotK that cleaned up. Somebody pays somebody off somewhere no doubt.

[pauljathome]

You REALLY think The Last Duel merits ANY of those? MAYBE Cinematography

[dirtypool]

If the system was rigged against any film in 2002 it was Gosford Park, not Fellowship.

The thing is though, the Oscars aren’t about what’s popular with the general audience. They aren’t even really about what is the “best” - if such a thing even exists. They’re about what is most popular with the people who also make movies. What hits for a general audience may not hit for The Academy, and vice versa.

[Thomas Seitz]

Dirrtypool is correct, if Dances with Wolves is any indication. Or Driving Miss Daisy, or hell, Nolan's Dark Knight.

[Tristan d'Ambrosius]

Quark Blast wrote:

The most likely options are:

Best Costume Design

Best Picture

Best Original Score

Best Adapted Screenplay

Best Cinematography

Best Director

Then again, given the ratings drop over the past several years it might not matter.

Then again, given that the system is rigged, who knows what the real odds are. Fellowship was the best of the three PJ LotR movies and yet it was RotK that cleaned up. Somebody pays somebody off somewhere no doubt.

But you seemed so sure before. Why the change? It's still the same movie.

[Quark Blast]

Back to the OP:
Sage Predictions

Best Picture
“Dune”

Best Director
Denis Villeneuve
“Dune”

Best Production Design
“Dune”

Best Cinematography
“Dune”

Best Costume Design
“Dune”

Best Film Editing
“Dune”

Best Makeup and Hairstyling
“Dune”

Best Sound
“Dune”

Best Visual Effects
“Dune”
Paul Lambert, Tristan Myles, Brian Connor, Gerd Nefzer

Best Original Score
“Dune”
Hans Zimmer

That's ten Oscar Noms!
May it be.
:D

[Thomas Seitz]

Someone mark their calendars then.