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Are bottled misfortune, and or Ashes of unluck one time use items?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/ashes -of-unluck

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/bottl ed-misfortune

Most one use items ive seen say so in the description.


Based on the prices, I would assume one time use.

Liberty's Edge

Yes, they are both single use items. You cannot collect all the ashes and put them back in the bag or drain the poison out of the target and put it back in the bottle.


I wish the Traveler's Any-Tool said it was one-use, based on the price. That just means that once you turn it into a crowbar, it doesn't readjust back into a morphable any-tool. But is it a crowbar that radiates magic?

Silver Crusade

bitter lily wrote:
I wish the Traveler's Any-Tool said it was one-use, based on the price. That just means that once you turn it into a crowbar, it doesn't readjust back into a morphable any-tool. But is it a crowbar that radiates magic?

I don't see why that would be one use. All it does is allow to to mimic mundane tools, which are neither terribly expensive nor hard to come by. 250 seems reasonable for what amounts to a multitool.

Scarab Sages

bitter lily wrote:
I wish the Traveler's Any-Tool said it was one-use, based on the price. That just means that once you turn it into a crowbar, it doesn't readjust back into a morphable any-tool. But is it a crowbar that radiates magic?

Agree that it should probably be single use, just given how unreasonably cheap it is. I don't think it's intended single use, given the description.

As for what it would look like, it wouldn't be a crowbar at all, but a wierdly folded device that happened to function as a crowbar. It would radiate magic as a magic item. Visually, think swiss army knife merged with a rubiks cube.

For 250gp (125gp if you make it yourself) to have a masterwork version of any tool, and to have it only weigh 2lbs, yeah, insanely cheap. I'd expect almost every NPC to have one at this cost, 3rd level and above. Just too practical, and certainly more useful than magical weapons or armor for non-combat classes (NPCs).


bitter lily wrote:
I wish the Traveler's Any-Tool said it was one-use, based on the price. That just means that once you turn it into a crowbar, it doesn't readjust back into a morphable any-tool. But is it a crowbar that radiates magic?

This is based around a 5th level spell that will last 1 hour per level (base metal tool, like iron). The spell does 2 cu ft per level, so would do 18 cu ft of metal. Iron is 491.3# per cu ft, or 8843.4# for the created material. Since we only have 2#, we have 1/4421.7th of the total spell. Priced as use at will, gives 5*9*1,800 = 81,000 gp. Convert to 2# worth is ~18.3 gp. Each activation lasts 9 hours. While the item does not mention an auto reset, 9 hours should be more than you can use it for in a day, and needing a standard to re-invoke it per 9 hours is a negligible amount of time. [Using perm rather that at will has a multiplier of 1, so winds up ~20 gp.] The tool also has sever limitations relative to the spell, so a 30% discount is not unreasonable. [Now at 12.8/14.2 gp.]

There is support for this with the figurines of wondrous power, I think. [Possibly I am remembering something from 3.X.] The base spell gave 1/2CL items, but the magic item was a single. I know the Boots of speed give 1/day haste effect at CL10 for one user, but allows you to split up the duration across the day.

Now using a formula is the wrong thing to do first. :-)

I did so, to show how the formula can break down.

It is better to compare to other similar items. Masterwork anything is +50 gp to the regular thing for many things. Paying 5 times to have a masterwork anything does not sound unreasonable, especially since you can only get one thing at a time.

/cevah

Silver Crusade

Traveller's Any Tool is a funny one.

Too expensive for level 1 when you need any mundane aquipment you can get, and you may have other options by level 3. However, all the tools on it are Masterwork for skill checks it seems so it's an absolute steal at the price.

Back on topic, for a Witch get an acid flask

Scarab Sages

Cevah wrote:

It is better to compare to other similar items. Masterwork anything is +50 gp to the regular thing for many things. Paying 5 times to have a masterwork anything does not sound unreasonable, especially since you can only get one thing at a time.

/cevah

Mostly the Weight is the strong point. I can make a crowbar with that item. A crowbar is normally 5lbs, a mithril crowbar is 2.5lbs. And the any-tool's crowbar is 2lbs.

It also being masterwork is just kicking the mithril tool option while it's down. At 250gp for the any-tool, the mithril crowbar costs over twice as much, weighs more, and really only presents a difference when used as an improvised weapon.

Crowbar is just an example, but I think it shows the issue pretty well. Personally, I think the any tool shouldn't count as masterwork, and should even have a penalty. Like how a real swiss army knife really isn't ever as good as any of the tools it is able to emulate.

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