nope, it says barbarian and only barbarians. I asked Mark, a DEV, and that's what he said.
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The helm has no effect if the wearer is not a barbarian (or another class with the rage class feature). The fact is says "or another class with the rage class feature" i presume means that even although a class would have a Rage similar to a barbarian's rage, the fact a Bloodrager is not a Barbarian, he cannot use the helmet. Am i right?
"Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects."
And the item says, "The helm has no effect if the wearer is not a barbarian (or another class with the rage class feature)." Which means, "If the wearer is not a barbarian or another class with the rage class feature the helm has no effect."
Bloodragers count as having the rage class feature for magic items... thus this should actually work by RAW.
If the wearer is a barbarian, she can use the intimidating glare rage power whenever she rages.
The wearer is NOT a barbarian and thus cannot use the rage power.
DEV is an official developer of the game.
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The helm has no effect if the wearer is not a barbarian (or another class with the rage class feature).Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.Worst case is he can use the item, but can't use the granted rage power. Being able to use rage powers with bloodrage was explicitly possible in the playtest, but I don't think it was carried over (at least not as an explicit rule) to the released version.
I'm inclined to agree here. He can definitely use the item, because bloodrage "counts as the barbarian's rage class feature" for magic item abilities-- but that doesn't necessarily mean he can use rage powers as a result.
So he can use the item-- but it probably doesn't give him any benefit.
Also, isn't this a better fit for the Rules Questions forum?
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If the wearer is a barbarian, she can use the intimidating glare rage power whenever she rages.
The wearer is NOT a barbarian and thus cannot use the rage power.
DEV is an official developer of the game.
But the wearer IS a class with the rage class feature(or at least a CF that counts as rage). Which also qualifies for the effect as per the last sentence which includes those in the definition along with barbarian.
If the words "or another class with the rage class feature" were not included you would be 100% correct.
Or am I missing some other effect the helm has that those with the rage class feature qualify for that it could be referencing?
The effect is that if you're a barbarian you can use the intimidating glare rage power.
Yes, having rage and not being a barbarian doesn't DO anything useful. But having rage does allow you to use the rage power if you are a barb.
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Here and here are the comments from Mark I'm basing this off of.
So while Bloodrager counts as Rage, Bloodrager doesn't count as Barbarian
Chess, I feel perhaps you didn't read those posts very closely...
It probably depends on whether it names the class and whether the class has wording to make it count (for instance, monk's robes names the class monk only, but brawler specifically calls out counting as monk for items that ask for monk class levels). I'd potentially allow exceptions in a home game on a case-by-case basis.Hey Mark,
How does counting as a class work for magic items and feats?
Like Banner of the Ancient Kings on an Exemplar Brawler or Evangelist Cleric?
Monk Robes on Iorian Paladin or Order of the Hammer Cavalier that count as Monk for IUS progression?
Shapeshifting Hunter and Feral Hunter's wildshape?
Do these all do nothing because they're not specifically called out? Or do they work since they count as that class for the abilities being used.
Bloodrager has specific wording that makes it count as the barbarian's rage. It doesn't count as barbarian though.. but the item itself allows any class that has the rage class feature.
So it seems that the bloodrager has the text to make it count as rage for things like this but not skald. I think having it count for the wearer's own benefits (the skald himself or even a non-ragey fellow character who knows she has a skald buddy) is a completely fair houserule, and it's almost surely what I would do in my game, yeah.Mark, Do you think the Headband of Havoc only works for Barbarians or anyone that has rage powers?
If it's the later do you feel there would be a "balance" problem to allow it to boost a Skalds level for it's rage powers as a houserule? Would boosting everyone be too much? What about only having it only boost your personal effect?
So, he says that the Bloodrager would benefit from the Headband of Havoc which only specifically calls out barbarian benefit... and the Helm of Fearsome Mein goes one further by calling out any class that has the rage class feature... which Bloodrager qualifies as.