Deific obedience feat and alignment ?


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I'm not seeing any specific requirement for alignment in regards to this feat. Is that correct ? or have I missed something ?

Sczarni

Usually, in order to worship a deity and gain a mechanical benefit, you must be within one alignment step of them.

In PFS, this is spelled out in the Guide to Organized Play.

In a homegame, just consult with your GM if that requirement can be "bent".


in normal pathfinder there is no req to be within 1 step. however with that feat it leads into 3 prestige classes that all req you to be within 1 step.

only clerics are req to be within 1 step of their god. if it doesn't say it's required then it's not.


vhok wrote:

in normal pathfinder there is no req to be within 1 step. however with that feat it leads into 3 prestige classes that all req you to be within 1 step.

only clerics are req to be within 1 step of their god. if it doesn't say it's required then it's not.

The specific character concept I'm looking at would be a LN wizard...who worshiped Soralyon (NG).....if we had an obedience for Lissala I would just go that route :P


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"Can I worship God X even though I'm Alignment Y" is nearly the very definition of "ask your GM" sort of question. Personally, I'd sign off on any deity/alignment combination provided that the player can justify it in character (e.g. even though you're LN, you're a Varisian who is primarily interested in astronomy, arcane magic, and the preservation of sites of historical import). Others will disagree, citing some unspecified inevitable conflict between one's alignment and what worshiping the deity in question entails.


As a GM I definitely enforce that a character needs to be within 1 alignment step of a deity to gain mechanical benefit from them.

However, ultimately this is up to each individual GM. To me it doesn't make sense to worship a deity more than 1 alignment step from you, they would be to unaligned with your own interests.

For instance, a LG deity could have LE worshipers and vice versa. It doesn't make much sense.


Claxon wrote:

As a GM I definitely enforce that a character needs to be within 1 alignment step of a deity to gain mechanical benefit from them.

However, ultimately this is up to each individual GM. To me it doesn't make sense to worship a deity more than 1 alignment step from you, they would be to unaligned with your own interests.

For instance, a LG deity could have LE worshipers and vice versa. It doesn't make much sense.

its called role playing. if you are truly a servant of your god then you will do things they like which will slowly change your alignment closer to theirs over time.

an assassin suddenly sees the light and begins worshiping a LG god doesn't instantly change his alignment. but he begins to do nice things and helping people in trouble and before long hes not CE hes CN and working his way towards becoming a good person.


Claxon wrote:

As a GM I definitely enforce that a character needs to be within 1 alignment step of a deity to gain mechanical benefit from them.

However, ultimately this is up to each individual GM. To me it doesn't make sense to worship a deity more than 1 alignment step from you, they would be to unaligned with your own interests.

For instance, a LG deity could have LE worshipers and vice versa. It doesn't make much sense.

Which is what I found strange....and why I asked the question. Granted, I can certainly see a LN character worshiping a NG being without any real conflict.....at the same time....a LG deity and a CE character....seems like a bit of a stretch.


vhok wrote:
Claxon wrote:

As a GM I definitely enforce that a character needs to be within 1 alignment step of a deity to gain mechanical benefit from them.

However, ultimately this is up to each individual GM. To me it doesn't make sense to worship a deity more than 1 alignment step from you, they would be to unaligned with your own interests.

For instance, a LG deity could have LE worshipers and vice versa. It doesn't make much sense.

its called role playing. if you are truly a servant of your god then you will do things they like which will slowly change your alignment closer to theirs over time.

an assassin suddenly sees the light and begins worshiping a LG god doesn't instantly change his alignment. but he begins to do nice things and helping people in trouble and before long hes not CE hes CN and working his way towards becoming a good person.

That's something I could see happening in the story line, but not how you start a character.

And still, I wouldn't allow mechanical benefits for characters until their "conversion" is complete. Because if what you're doing is role-playing, you also don't need mechanical benefits to do it.

nighttree wrote:

Which is what I found strange....and why I asked the question. Granted, I can certainly see a LN character worshiping a NG being without any real conflict.....at the same time....a LG deity and a CE character....seems like a bit of a stretch.

I think of it like this, LE and LG are as different as LN and NG. They aren't in direct opposition, but still not similar to one another.


Not sure we are saying the same thing.....I don't actually see a big disconnect between a LN character and a NG deity....are they the same ?.....no.....but it's not the same level of disconnect at between a LG dity and a CE deity.....

Sczarni

LN concerns itself with Law
NG concerns itself with Good
CN concerns itself with Chaos
NE concerns itself with Evil

I probably wouldn't allow one to worship the other, unless they were interested in atoning eventually and changing their alignment.


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nighttree wrote:

Not sure we are saying the same thing.....I don't actually see a big disconnect between a LN character and a NG deity....are they the same ?.....no.....but it's not the same level of disconnect at between a LG dity and a CE deity.....

I didn't say LG and CE though. I've been talking about LG and LE.

LG and CE are 4 steps away from one another, which means they are opposed to one another as can be.

1 step definitely allows you to still worship a deity.

2-3 steps isn't really defined. But in my opinion, at 2 or 3 steps you wont be diametrically opposed, but you also don't have much in common.

Remember 2 steps is might be LN to NG, but it's also NN to LE. True neutral guy isn't going to have common ground with the LE guy. He lacks the commitment to oppose them (on principal) as a good person might, but the evil acts of others might affect him personally and he would oppose that. He also wouldn't be inclined to help commit evil acts.

In the same way LN isn't going to be interested in doing good for the people and is going to be annoyed about the way in which NG goes about doing things, it wont be organized enough for them. Just because they aren't so opposed doesn't mean they have common ground either.


Take a level in Inquisitor or profession spy. Sometimes a god needs to employ an assassin. You have to justify the character concept.

If there are criminals giving magic a bad name, I see why they got the calling.:)

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