Can the Vigilante class be used to make a 1st level arcane trickster?


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Silver Crusade

Can the Vigilante class be used to make a 1st level arcane trickster?

Can a vigilante character have access to both the trap finding class feature and to arcane spell casting?

thanks

Silver Crusade

Arcane Trickster doesn't need trapfinding to qualify (though it makes them much better at their job).

They need

-2d6 Sneak Attack

-2nd level arcane casting

-4 ranks in certain skills

The skill rank requirement alone means your question must be answered in the negative.

Stalker Vigilantes don't get Sneak Attack per se, but a GM might allow you to fiddle with that and let you substitute Hidden Strike for SA. There is a boost at 3rd level, so the Vigilante would qualify by 4th on that front.

A Warlock Vigilante gains 2nd level spells at 4th level so he qualifies there too.

Given that interpretation of Hidden Strike, a single-classed Warlock Vigilante can qualify for Arcane Trickster at the earliest opportunity, which is 4th level. Whether they should is another matter.

Why do you ask, OP? Is it because of the Warlock's Mystic Bolts?


Warlocks don't get Stalker or avenger, they give up that sadly.


Yeah you can't be both unfortunately you would have to multi-class ighter way


Correct me, if I'm wrong, but doesn't the requirement of X skill ranks mean, you can't enter the Prestige class before X+1?


Ellioti wrote:
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but doesn't the requirement of X skill ranks mean, you can't enter the Prestige class before X+1?

It means that your first level in the PrC can be your character level X+1. Whatever 4/Arcane Trcickster 1 as a 5th level character. Among other things, it's impossible for you to distribute your level 4 skill ranks before you've taken your level 4 class level.


Ellioti wrote:
Correct me, if I'm wrong, but doesn't the requirement of X skill ranks mean, you can't enter the Prestige class before X+1?

yes so you can't take the class till level 5

Liberty's Edge

0o0o0 O 0o0o0 wrote:
-2nd level arcane casting

Technically, you need Mage Hand and one 2nd level arcane spell.

However, since the SLA FAQ now only allows SLAs to qualify for specific named spell effects (e.g. 'Dimension Door') there is effectively no longer any difference between 'one 2nd arcane level spell' and '2nd level arcane casting'.


ElyasRavenwood wrote:

Can the Vigilante class be used to make a 1st level arcane trickster?

Can a vigilante character have access to both the trap finding class feature and to arcane spell casting?

thanks

I'm assuming that you don't mean to enter the PRC at level 1 (since that would mean that you don't put a level in Vigilante as well), but to have the basic feel of the PRC already at level 1 (having both trap finding and arcane spell casting).

The answer is 'no', the Vigilante can not obtain trap finding. Unless you count specific campaign traits (which I don't), but then you may as well play a Wizard with trap finding.

The Vigilante class can't fulfill the prerequisites for the PRC, even at later levels.

Shadow Lodge

Why not play an Eldritch Scoundrel?

Shadow Lodge

the Queen's Raven wrote:
Why not play an Eldritch Scoundrel?

Because you can get into AT at level 5 with one level of Rogue (or whatever) total. -1 full wizard casting is superior to the magus track in a lot of ways.

AT has been around and popular for years while ES is in one somewhat obscure souce. I wouldn't be surprised if half the people on this thread had never heard of ES.

Silver Crusade

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts


In that case Eldritch Scoundrel is your choice. Though Archaeologist Bard isn't a bad choice either.

Grand Lodge

CBDunkerson wrote:
0o0o0 O 0o0o0 wrote:
-2nd level arcane casting

Technically, you need Mage Hand and one 2nd level arcane spell.

However, since the SLA FAQ now only allows SLAs to qualify for specific named spell effects (e.g. 'Dimension Door') there is effectively no longer any difference between 'one 2nd arcane level spell' and '2nd level arcane casting'.

Not sure if you meant this, but SLA's don't allow you to qualify for prestige classes.

Liberty's Edge

Varun Creed wrote:
Not sure if you meant this, but SLA's don't allow you to qualify for prestige classes.

SLAs DO allow you to qualify for prestige classes... IF the class requires a specific spell matching that SLA. For example, Arcane Trickster requires Mage Hand. A Rogue that took the 'Minor Magic' talent could get Mage Hand as an SLA... and thus MEET that requirement.

Previously, SLAs could also meet 'able to cast X level spell' requirements, but that was changed to the new 'specific spell' version.


Yeah...I don't know why you wouldn't just play an eldritch scoundrel. You can even dip into arcane trickster

Otherwise, you're basically looking at the classic rogue, wizard, arcane trickster.


It's worth noting that you do need to take the feat Accomplished Sneak Attacker to qualify for Arcane Trickster at 5.

If your goal is to avoid multiclassing, yes, the Eldritch Scoundrel is the best single class choice. It's slightly more trickster than arcane and quite good, though significantly slower progression than the AT on the higher end of the power curve.

Liberty's Edge

Greensting Slayer Magus might also be a good single class option if your GM allows their 'sneak attack when spending 1 point from arcane pool' ability to meet the sneak attack pre-req.

Vivisectionist and Eldritch Poisoner alchemists can also get there by using discoveries to get Mage Hand and a 2nd level spell.


Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Pretty much any single-classed arcane spell caster class with Mage Hand on its spell list can qualify for the 1st level of Arcane Trickster after reaching 7th level. What you do is select VMC Rogue. At 7th level, when you gain +1d6 Sneak Attack, you retrain one of your previous feats to Accomplished Sneak Attacker and you then meet all of the prestige class's prerequisites.

Dark Archive

ElyasRavenwood wrote:

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts

You realize that you can do trapfinding and spellcasting in Pathfinder via about a dozen different archetypes. Seeker sorcerer, archaeologist bard, crypt breaker alchemist,etc. Trapfinding and spellcasting are not the main hallmarks of arcane trickster. It's main thing is lockpicking/disabling traps at range with mage hand plus automatically making an enemy flatfooted several times a day while advancing sneak attack and spellcasting.


Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
ElyasRavenwood wrote:

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts

You realize that you can do trapfinding and spellcasting in Pathfinder via about a dozen different archetypes. Seeker sorcerer, archaeologist bard, crypt breaker alchemist,etc. Trapfinding and spellcasting are not the main hallmarks of arcane trickster. It's main thing is lockpicking/disabling traps at range with mage hand plus automatically making an enemy flatfooted several times a day while advancing sneak attack and spellcasting.

Nature Fang Druid with trapfinding from slayer talents is another good one IMO. Full divine caster, AC, and somewhat competent in combat despite 3/4 BAB thanks to studied target.


Texas Snyper wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
ElyasRavenwood wrote:

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts

You realize that you can do trapfinding and spellcasting in Pathfinder via about a dozen different archetypes. Seeker sorcerer, archaeologist bard, crypt breaker alchemist,etc. Trapfinding and spellcasting are not the main hallmarks of arcane trickster. It's main thing is lockpicking/disabling traps at range with mage hand plus automatically making an enemy flatfooted several times a day while advancing sneak attack and spellcasting.
Nature Fang Druid with trapfinding from slayer talents is another good one IMO. Full divine caster, AC, and somewhat competent in combat despite 3/4 BAB thanks to studied target.

won't being a divine caster set you back even more for arcane trickster than anything else?

Dark Archive

I would say the best archetypes for arcane trickster are greensting magus, eldritch scoundrel, or seeker sorcerer.


Lady-J wrote:
Texas Snyper wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
ElyasRavenwood wrote:

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts

You realize that you can do trapfinding and spellcasting in Pathfinder via about a dozen different archetypes. Seeker sorcerer, archaeologist bard, crypt breaker alchemist,etc. Trapfinding and spellcasting are not the main hallmarks of arcane trickster. It's main thing is lockpicking/disabling traps at range with mage hand plus automatically making an enemy flatfooted several times a day while advancing sneak attack and spellcasting.
Nature Fang Druid with trapfinding from slayer talents is another good one IMO. Full divine caster, AC, and somewhat competent in combat despite 3/4 BAB thanks to studied target.
won't being a divine caster set you back even more for arcane trickster than anything else?

I think he was suggesting it as a way to be a full caster with trapfinding. aka, an alternative build.


Lady-J wrote:
Texas Snyper wrote:
Cory Stafford 29 wrote:
ElyasRavenwood wrote:

. I was looking for a way to do the trap finding and spell casting without multi classing.

Again thank you for your posts

You realize that you can do trapfinding and spellcasting in Pathfinder via about a dozen different archetypes. Seeker sorcerer, archaeologist bard, crypt breaker alchemist,etc. Trapfinding and spellcasting are not the main hallmarks of arcane trickster. It's main thing is lockpicking/disabling traps at range with mage hand plus automatically making an enemy flatfooted several times a day while advancing sneak attack and spellcasting.
Nature Fang Druid with trapfinding from slayer talents is another good one IMO. Full divine caster, AC, and somewhat competent in combat despite 3/4 BAB thanks to studied target.
won't being a divine caster set you back even more for arcane trickster than anything else?

If you want "arcane trickster" then yes. If you want "caster with trap finding" then no.

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