Just looking for a way to take advantage of the Skalds raging song. If it is not considered a (Sp) then it wouldn't require concentration.
Kinetic Blast is a spell like ability but infusions are supernatural.
It's still a spell-like ability, even though it doesn't get activated and used like one. It gets activated as part of an attack/full-attack/charge action and doesn't provoke because it's part of another action rather than an action itself, unlike a regular SLA typically requiring a standard action.
If it was a grapple situation, would require a concentration check.
Where does it state infusions are supernatural.
Next to the Infusion class feature.
Kinetic Blast is a spell like ability but infusions are supernatural.
Just in case one thinks an infused kinetic blast is a supernatural ability and no longer a SLA (this has been brought up before in forums), it's not. Infusions is a supernatural class feature that allows one to modify the kineticist's spell-like ability kinetic blast class feature. An infused kinetic blast is still a spell-like ability.
Where does it state infusions are supernatural.Next to the Infusion class feature.
Kinetic Blast is a spell like ability but infusions are supernatural.Just in case one thinks an infused kinetic blast is a supernatural ability and no longer a SLA (this has been brought up before in forums), it's not. Infusions is a supernatural class feature that allows one to modify the kineticist's spell-like ability kinetic blast class feature. An infused kinetic blast is still a spell-like ability.
The blast is still a spell like ability but modifying it is a supernatural ability. Now as to how that affects concentration, I don't know.
Modifying blast with an infusion or metakinesis (also Su) doesn't affect concentration at all (besides blade/whip not needing a casting defensively concentration check to avoid AoO). But in other cases of requiring concentration checks simply to activate a SLA, such as grapple, to use kinetic blade would still require a concentration check.
Modifying blast with an infusion or metakinesis (also Su) doesn't affect concentration at all (besides blade/whip not needing a casting defensively concentration check to avoid AoO). But in other cases of requiring concentration checks simply to activate a SLA, such as grapple, to use kinetic blade would still require a concentration check.
Casting a spell doesn't require a concentration check but isn't something you could do while raging.
I'm not sure if I'm arguing with you or against you.
I got no idea either if we're arguing or overclarifying the same thing but different aspects of the issue.
But I'm kinda in the no kinetic blade while raging camp. I see it as a SLA that requires concentration even without the concentration check, just like casting spell or regular kinetic blast when not threatened.
Modifying blast with an infusion or metakinesis (also Su) doesn't affect concentration at all (besides blade/whip not needing a casting defensively concentration check to avoid AoO). But in other cases of requiring concentration checks simply to activate a SLA, such as grapple, to use kinetic blade would still require a concentration check.
Ok, so since accepting a Skald's raging song does not require concentration, would I be able to combine kinetic blade with the song?
Or put another way, does using kinetic blade require concentration?
As Helpful Harry says, casting a spell typically doesn't require a concentration check just to do, yet won't work with raging song. I believe the same thing applies to kinetic blade and it wouldn't work.
As Helpful Harry says, casting a spell typically doesn't require a concentration check just to do, yet won't work with raging song. I believe the same thing applies to kinetic blade and it wouldn't work.
Agreed.
As Helpful Harry says, casting a spell typically doesn't require a concentration check just to do, yet won't work with raging song. I believe the same thing applies to kinetic blade and it wouldn't work.
I guess that makes sense. I wonder if its worth taking kinetic-blade/weapon-finesse at level 5 anymore for my infusion/feat. Our party is getting stomped in "giantslayer" and being able to use the raging song would certainly help.
I would like to point out that Expanded metakinesis allows you to pick up Furious Spell as a metakinesis which would allow you to use your kinetic blast SLA while in a rage.
Whether you can gather power while in a rage is up to GM interpretation but the way I see it is you can gather power but if you are forced to make a concentration check (taking damage while GP) then you auto fail the check.
So a skald doesn't lose anything for the raging song.
While under the effects of inspired rage, allies other than the skald cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except Acrobatics, Fly, Intimidate, and Ride) or any ability that requires patience or concentration.
So the skald can dip and get it. Just a kineticist can't accept a song and do a kinetic blade. Not sure if this is the situation or not, I got lost of what the exact situation is.
OP: Just go straight skald or straight kineticist. They don't seem particularly synergistic to me.
Sorry if I gave the impression that I was multiclassing. I am straight geokineticist. Another player in my group is the skald. And I am trying to find a way to benefit from his class feature.
I'll look into furious spell.
Yeah, you totally can't use any of your kinetic blasts while also benefiting from raging song.
Seconding the Expanded Metakinesis recommendation. ^_^
Except if you're a kinetic knight, in which you lose metakinesis to get all the blade infusions. See, I would rule since the kinetic knight MUST use kinetic blade or an infusion that requires k blade as a prerequisite, and since all of them are supernatural form infusions, and since the elemental blade class feature of kinetic knight alters the kinetic blast, and since a form infusion causes a blast to "manifest in a different way" but does not describe the extent or how, I rule rage/raging song can work at least with the kinetic Knight's blasts. They just can't gather power.