new sovereign court faction card.

[Chess Pwn]

PRACTICED DIPLOMAT (2+ goals): Circle one of the following skills: Bluff, Diplomacy, Disguise, or Knowledge (nobility).
When you roll your chosen skill, you always receive a result of at least 10 plus the number of goals you have completed.

Is this saying that if I have a +9 diplomacy and 3 goal done that I roll and the die comes up on a 1 is my check a
a)13, the minimum total result is 10+goals
b)22, the minimum die result is 10+goals

[Ferious Thune]

A, I think. It says minimum result of 10+goals, not treat the die roll as 10+goals.

So if you roll less than or equal to a 13 after adding your bonus, you get a 13 total. If you roll higher than a 13 after adding your bonus, you get whatever you rolled.

[leonvios]

Ah I retract a statement I made in an earlier thread about this ability being amazing XD, if it works like A then it will not be as strong as I had originally hoped.

[pH unbalanced]

I don't know...it won't be very useful in a skill you've put a lot of points into, but it *will* ensure you never fail an Aid Another in a skill you've only got a point or two in. I can see my Cleric making good use of it.

[Chess Pwn]

well if you only have a point or two then you're better off not putting in any ranks if you're planning on just trying to aid and it's option A. The minimum result is a 12 which auto aids.

[Majuba]

Probably A. Bis possible, since there is often a reference to the "result of the die roll", but the odd language seems to be from actually making a roll, while also having a static amount as an option.

[John Compton]

It is A. B would be quite powerful for a 2+ goal. This reward is to minimize the prospect of a catastrophic skill result and make it so all Sovereign Court PCs can readily be suave and canny.

[Ethan Snide]

John Compton wrote:

It is A. B would be quite powerful for a 2+ goal. This reward is to minimize the prospect of a catastrophic skill result and make it so all Sovereign Court PCs can readily be suave and canny.

I will remind you how this entire option is a terrible, terrible idea Compton.

Repeatedly.

Because.

Diplomacy: 1d20 - 3 ⇒ (3) - 3 = 0

[MisterSlanky]

SCORE! I got a 9!

[Basil Badgerbrow]

It seems I must work harder to achieve the faction goals!

Hell Knight's Feast anecdote:

I was recently playing this character in Hell Knight's feast. On the various influence rolls (of which there are many) I never rolled over a 7. I expect to get a lot of use out of that particular faction card boon!

[Baroness Bobbi]

Yep. I think that faction goal should be named after you, given your stunning performance in Hell Knight's Feast. I will do everything in my power to help you achieve this goal, O noble tutor of mine!

[BretI]

Just realized it wouldn't help Basil. :(

I read John's post too fast.

Maybe someday they will do one for Basil where the minimum roll is 5 + half the number of goals or something. That would have helped on all but one of those rolls.

[1bent1]

I plan to use this with Disguise as I have no ranks in it. I won't fool anyone but the unobservant.

I to originally misread the faction card to believe it was awesome but came to the same conclusion that it is nice if you have nothing in the skill.

[BretI]

Yeah, I think this is the only one where the utility gets less as you go. The DCs climb a lot faster than this will. Use it for a skill you are no good at.

[HoloGnome]

Does Practiced Diplomat also allow a result greater than 10 on Knowledge (nobility) even if not trained in it?

It seems like it does, according to the wording of "you receive a result," etc. (specific vs. general). It is certainly a nice benefit to be able to pick up another knowledge skill from your faction, especially since it increases as you complete faction goals.

[thistledown]

HoloGnome PFS wrote:

Does Practiced Diplomat also allow a result greater than 10 on Knowledge (nobility) even if not trained in it?

It seems like it does, according to the wording of "you receive a result," etc. (specific vs. general). It is certainly a nice benefit to be able to pick up another knowledge skill from your faction, especially since it increases as you complete faction goals.

I'd like an answer to this too.

[crashcanuck]

I put a single rank into Kn Nobility just to avoid dealing with that being an issue.

[Linda Zayas-Palmer]

HoloGnome PFS wrote:

Does Practiced Diplomat also allow a result greater than 10 on Knowledge (nobility) even if not trained in it?

It seems like it does, according to the wording of "you receive a result," etc. (specific vs. general). It is certainly a nice benefit to be able to pick up another knowledge skill from your faction, especially since it increases as you complete faction goals.

Yes. You always get at least the result listed in Practiced Diplomat, even if you are not trained in Knowledge (nobility).

[shaventalz]

Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:

HoloGnome PFS wrote:

Does Practiced Diplomat also allow a result greater than 10 on Knowledge (nobility) even if not trained in it?

It seems like it does, according to the wording of "you receive a result," etc. (specific vs. general). It is certainly a nice benefit to be able to pick up another knowledge skill from your faction, especially since it increases as you complete faction goals.

Yes. You always get at least the result listed in Practiced Diplomat, even if you are not trained in Knowledge (nobility).

Slight rewording of the question:

Does the card override the text in the Knowledge skill description that says " You cannot make an untrained Knowledge check with a DC higher than 10"? If not, it wouldn't matter what you "roll". Anything above 10 would be effectively rounded down, as you just wouldn't get any of the information above DC 10.

Yes, I know this is splitting hairs a bit. But the hair being split in this case lies directly between "helps" and "doesn't help."

[Linda Zayas-Palmer]

Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:

HoloGnome PFS wrote:

Does Practiced Diplomat also allow a result greater than 10 on Knowledge (nobility) even if not trained in it?

It seems like it does, according to the wording of "you receive a result," etc. (specific vs. general). It is certainly a nice benefit to be able to pick up another knowledge skill from your faction, especially since it increases as you complete faction goals.

Yes. You always get at least the result listed in Practiced Diplomat, even if you are not trained in Knowledge (nobility).

The text in the card overrides the quoted portion of the Knowledge skill description for the purposes of receiving a result equal to 10 + the number of goals you have completed.

For example, let's say you've completed 5 goals on your Sovereign Court card. Practiced Diplomat says you always get at least a 15 on Knowledge (nobility) checks. You are untrained in Knowledge (nobility), with a bonus of +0. You roll a Knowledge (nobility) check and get an 18 on the die. Your final result on the check is 15, not 10 or 18.

[MrBear]

Am I reading it right in that if I unlocked practiced diplomat in season 8, I get to not only combine successes from season 8 AND 9, but I get an additional +1 above and beyond?

[shaventalz]

MrBear wrote:

Am I reading it right in that if I unlocked practiced diplomat in season 8, I get to not only combine successes from season 8 AND 9, but I get an additional +1 above and beyond?

It's just a flat +1.

Additional Cards wrote:

If a PC would receive a reward that she already earned on a previous card, she instead treats her effective number of goals completed on all cards as though it were one higher. These bonuses stack—if she earned a duplicate reward on two season’s cards, she treats her effective number of goals completed as two higher.

Instead of getting the reward twice, not in addition to.

Additional Cards wrote:

For example, Zarta Dralneen has completed five of the goals on the Season 8 Dark Archive card, and she begins working on the Season 9 card. When she fulfills two goals on the new card, she earns the Enduring Scholar boon—the same boon she earned on her previous card. Instead of gaining two uses of Enduring Scholar, she gains benefits from the boon as though she had fulfilled six goals instead of five.

According to the example given, the second instance of the same reward ONLY gives a +1. If it worked like you thought, the example PC would be treated as if they had completed 8 goals rather than just 6.

[MrBear]

Gotcha. I was confused by the phrase "treats the number of goals competed on ALL CARDS..." I thought that implied that your total came from all the cards combined.

[shaventalz]

MrBear wrote:

Gotcha. I was confused by the phrase "treats the number of goals competed on ALL CARDS..." I thought that implied that your total came from all the cards combined.

I assume that's probably supposed to mean that if you get more goals on the season 9 card than season 8, season 9's reward becomes the "active" one and you instead treat its value as if you have completed one more goal on season 9 than you really did. If that makes sense.

There is another way to parse that, and I'm sure I asked it a couple years back. It might mean that every card gets one free goal, period. That's not really touched on in the example given, but it seems potentially overpowered and is probably not what they intended.

EDIT: Looks like I asked for clarification in August of 2016. No response.

[Cloren Chenross]

I personally, asisde from my one character who isn't a Soverign Crown face (she's a 'privateer'), have seen little to no benefit with the 'you get this x' as the final outcome. By the time most of the Crown types get to the a reasonable level of goals (unless they are just starting), they already have it..

I know for my currently crowns, only one has one of those skills at less than 15.

I imagine that results might vary

[DM Livgin]

Thanks for the clarifications!