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Liberty's Edge

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I mean it: Axhammer can reject Rupert's claim, or can accept it.

But I expect him to be clear and honest about it. No "real politics".

Much less "playing nice" to Rupert on his face, and slandering on his back.

If Axhammer keeps doing it, he is no paladin (at least not in my game).


Initiative +4, Perception +19, Cohort: Nakir
Lord Christian D'Elagante wrote:

Baby will be here soon.

Bot me if needed. Will post when I can. Most likely seveal days before I will be able to post again.

Sense Christian is involved in both the duel and called the meeting. May want to bot him DM.

Pretty sure it's duel first, then meeting, and finally would be king meeting. Will post something about Aolis getting the message sense someone let him know at last. Retcon incoming. ;)

Liberty's Edge

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You are right, I will have to act the duel by myself


M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

Hm. Did not know that about the camps; may I retcon? And what time can we first leave the dinner? I know the duel is supposed to be at midnight, but I've realized that what I might have assumed about times may well be completely wrong.

Also, isn't the duel between Khavortorov and Merus, not between Khavortorov and Christian? Christian (and one of the other Khavortorov brothers) are seconds, not the actual duellists.

Re: the kings thing - yes, one king can make someone else a king. Napoleon did it to four of his brothers, placing them on the thrones of subject kingdoms, and did the same thing to the fellow who would rule Mexico, Maximillian I. Doing so is generally intended to make the new kingdom (which the new king may have to subjegate/conquer) subservient to the crown that gave the writ, but in some cases - like this one - it ain't necessarily gonna be so.

Just as a side note - the 'swear oaths of fealty' thing was, by implication (i.e. 'become Vassals', with the latter word linked to its wikipedia article), actually in the original recruitment. Anyone who posted a character by similar implication was agreeing to do so.

Liberty's Edge

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Merus? Damn!
My bad!
In any case Michael Khavortorov actions are the same.


M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

As a repost ...

The Wyrm Ouroboros wrote:
Hm. Did not know that about the camps (them being so close to each other we could essentially watch them from our own); may I retcon? And what time can we first leave the dinner? I know the duel is supposed to be at midnight, but I've realized that what I might have assumed about times may well be completely wrong.

Also, is the cloudy night w/ waning moon (waning crescent?) considered dim light or (more probable) darkness?

Liberty's Edge

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Dim light, at midnight...

Later on, who knows? ;)


M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

If it could last that long, a megaloceros would require almost 8 minutes (7:55.2) to run 3 miles. (50' x4 Run = 200' per round, 5280'/mile x 3 = 15,840' / 200' = 79.2 rounds, x6s/round = 475.2s / 60 = 7 minutes 55.2 seconds.) As running for 80 rounds straight is unlikely (with an 18 Con, hitting every Con check of up to 71 seems improbable to me), at standard hustle speed for a 50' movement critter (10 miles/hr), it would make 3 miles in 18 minutes.

And Christian is not a knight; calling him 'Sir' gives him an honor that is not his, and might easily be offensive.


Initiative +4, Perception +19, Cohort: Nakir

You forgot the run feat it's x5 not x4.

Sir can be used for knights and non knights as a term of respect. So I don't get being offended by it one way or another.


M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

For non-knights, it gets used it as a term of respect when said alone: 'You, sir, are wonderful.' Specifically when used before a name, as you did - 'Sir Christian' - it is indicative of knighthood, and always so indicative. For a female, using 'Dame' in front of their name would indicate the same thing. "Dame Amavin" would mean that Amavin had been knighted.

And I thought the Run feat was x4 for some reason. That would cut the time down to 63.36 rounds, or 6 minutes 20 seconds, if the critter could handle Con checks of up to DC 54 - still unlikely. However, as Run does not modify Hustle speed (and 'Running then resting', by the rules, works out to a hustle) it's still gonna be that 18-minute movement.

Liberty's Edge

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Please tell me when you are ready to move on to the secret meeting.
Also, please let me know:

  • Will Axhammer try to attend?
  • Anyone goes unarmed?
  • Anyone tries to bring anyone else along?


  • Initiative +4, Perception +19, Cohort: Nakir

    Aolis is pretty much ready. He will bring Sacha with him sense he does not really use weapons.


    male human Fighter (Aldori swordlord) 6/ Swordlord (PrC) 1

    Merus is ready too, he will go armed, but alone.

    Liberty's Edge

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    Aolis Greenborn wrote:
    Aolis is pretty much ready. He will bring Sacha with him sense he does not really use weapons.

    Just making it clear... Just Aolis is invited, Sasha is not supposed to attend.


    Female Human Sorcerer 7
    Stats:
    Init +6 Perception +8

    I'm ready to attend. Not bringing anyone, am unarmed although I have magic to fallback on.


    Yes he's going as he was delivered an invitation and the "king" didn't personally tell him not to come

    Also fm you never replied to my last post

    Also I will be in Arlington for a bit. And my unit might get deactivated will keep you posted

    Liberty's Edge

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    In fact he mentioned that they could talk the next day in the night, which means not that night.
    But your call.
    What last post?

    Sovereign Court

    Male Human (Taldorian)
    Spoiler:
    AC 23/T12/FF21 HP32/32 F+5 R+3 W+2 Init +2 Perception +8
    Cavalier (Beastrider) 3 (Order of the Sword)

    Armed, armored with Fra Ezekiel, also armed

    Liberty's Edge

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    Again, cohorts are not invited, only main characters.
    But you can try ;)


    M LG half-orc Init +4; darkvision 60 ft.; Per +14; (Cohort: Alysandra Janus)

    Aly's for social domination; Coalhouse is for physical. ;) Just Coalhouse, and he will appear to be unarmed.


    Male Half-Elf Bard 4 | AC 20 | HP 44 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +8 | Perception +8, low-light vision | Focus Points 2/2 |
    Spells:
    1st - 3/3, 2nd - 3/3
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    Aramil is ready to go. He will be by himself, fully armed and armored. He's confident that the leaders of the various groups can handle any issues that arise without the need of heavy reinforcements.


    Male HP:72/72 AC:20 T:15 FF:14 F:+6 R:+5 W:+4 Perc:+11 Init:+5 Bastard Sword +12, 1d10+3 CMB:+10 CMD:+20 Human Cavalier 7 (Daring Champion)

    Christian is going along and fully armed.


    The one where I asked him to clarify since he made the oath so broad and long


    Male Human Wizard 8| AC 17 T 13 FF 15| HP 64/64 | F +5 R +5 W +7 | Init +3 | Perc +9

    I'm ready and will be taking my familiar along but that is it. Mage armor already cast on my and use wand on Newton. He'll have a wand of shield as well, in cast it hits the fan.

    Liberty's Edge

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    GM Grog wrote:
    The one where I asked him to clarify since he made the oath so broad and long

    This one?

    Already answered here.


    Male Half-Orc Paladin 7 l HP 84/84 l AC 20 T 11 FF 19 CMD 22 l F +11 R +7, W +10 l Init +1 Perc 0 Status: Normal SE 3/3 LH 8/8 CS 7/7

    Ready to go, fully armed and alone

    Liberty's Edge

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    So... are we ready to continue with Rupert's "secret" meeting?


    Male HP:72/72 AC:20 T:15 FF:14 F:+6 R:+5 W:+4 Perc:+11 Init:+5 Bastard Sword +12, 1d10+3 CMB:+10 CMD:+20 Human Cavalier 7 (Daring Champion)

    Yes


    Female Human Sorcerer 7
    Stats:
    Init +6 Perception +8

    Hell yeah!


    Male Human Wizard 8| AC 17 T 13 FF 15| HP 64/64 | F +5 R +5 W +7 | Init +3 | Perc +9

    Ready, willing and we'll find out if able.


    Male Half-Orc Paladin 7 l HP 84/84 l AC 20 T 11 FF 19 CMD 22 l F +11 R +7, W +10 l Init +1 Perc 0 Status: Normal SE 3/3 LH 8/8 CS 7/7

    Sure


    HP 98/98; AC 17 (T 12, FF 16); saves fort 11, refl 9, will 12; bab 7 melee 9, ranged 8, CMB 9, CMD 23, init +3, honor 29, fame 24, smite 3/3, loh 8/8 human Paladin/7 | cohort Hareth | familiar Corwin
    skills:
    craft weapons 4, diplomacy 16, handle animal 6 intim 6, know hist 6, know nobility 8, ling 5, perc 9, perf sing 8, prof soldier 6, ride 6, sense motv 10

    ready

    Sovereign Court

    Male Human (Taldorian)
    Spoiler:
    AC 23/T12/FF21 HP32/32 F+5 R+3 W+2 Init +2 Perception +8
    Cavalier (Beastrider) 3 (Order of the Sword)

    Yep


    M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

    Run it!!


    Male Half-Elf Bard 4 | AC 20 | HP 44 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +8 | Perception +8, low-light vision | Focus Points 2/2 |
    Spells:
    1st - 3/3, 2nd - 3/3
    | Reactions: counterperformance

    Ready.


    M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

    Merus walked, actually walked? I think he needs to spend more of that 2,681 gp, 3 sp, 8 cp he's got ...

    Silver Crusade

    male dwarf cleric 7

    oh, in case anyone was wondering why Dagit has leftover gold, that is for casting lesser plainiar ally, outsiders cost gold you know :P.

    Sovereign Court

    Male Gnome oracle (enlightened philosopher) 1/paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 6

    "Azrael the Avenger"]

    Coalhouse openly spoke of murder infront of a group of paladins, and yet you have nothing to say about that?

    Sovereign Court

    Male Gnome oracle (enlightened philosopher) 1/paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 6

    Axhammer is ready to be attacked, and is thus not flatfooted.
    Hes also got a hand on his Gilded Warhorn.


    Initiative +4, Perception +19, Cohort: Nakir

    I think your taking things a little to far out of hand Axhammer. Coalhouses words could be considered a threat but not a open declaration of intent to murder. May want to dial it back a bit. Although I do agree that he stepped in it when he spoke like that to you. Leave diplomacy to those with a lot of ranks in it is my policy. ;)


    HP 98/98; AC 17 (T 12, FF 16); saves fort 11, refl 9, will 12; bab 7 melee 9, ranged 8, CMB 9, CMD 23, init +3, honor 29, fame 24, smite 3/3, loh 8/8 human Paladin/7 | cohort Hareth | familiar Corwin
    skills:
    craft weapons 4, diplomacy 16, handle animal 6 intim 6, know hist 6, know nobility 8, ling 5, perc 9, perf sing 8, prof soldier 6, ride 6, sense motv 10

    didn't see that... Coalhouse's posts are a little tldr for me to get through.

    Silver Crusade

    male dwarf cleric 7

    Undeniable Truth, the outsider Dagit would likely summon would be an inevitable or archon, although he could common a devil if he wanted to... although that's not a good idea in a room full of paladins, fighters, and a king :P


    M Roleplayer 25 / GM 8 / Writer 18 - Neutral Annoyed - Atlanta, GA - SA: Punctuation, Spelling, Sentence Structure

    You lying, offensive sack. Tell me exactly where I said "I'm gonna kill ya." Go on, quote it. Yes, I wrote Coalhouse's post as being from someone who 'talks straight'. You've been 100% wrong OOCly, you've been 100% wrong ICly, and you've been repeatedly offensive to the man who's been crowned king of the lands the entire party is supposed to go tame. And go look up Thomas Becket - who pissed off the King of England so bad that him saying 'Will nobody rid me of this troublesome priest?' resulted in three knights going and killing the guy.

    Since you haven't responded to - or rather, you've responded offensively and improperly to - diplomatic speech, Coalhouse is trying to smooth out the situation by being straightforward and telling you 'don't be a dick.' He WARNS you about the potential consequences of being a dick - because I'm sure the Becket situation has happened in Golarion a few times before. And you immediately leap to the most offensive and self-promoting interpretation.

    You sit a mount probably fifty feet from someone who you are being an a$$hole to, your hand on a weapon (because a gilded warhorn is just that), and you expect someone who is really willing to work with this guy to think that's just hunky-dory? Someone who can see that you are capable of, and ready to, charge in and attempt to kill the guy just because you think it justified. He would rather not see that happen, and is taking steps to defuse the situation by asking you to REALLY leave, instead of just being pedantic about leaving by taking a few steps away.

    I'm trying to stick with the GM's directive of 'No PvP' in both physical and social interactions. But holy sh!t, you're making it hard.

    Do you even realize that you could defuse the situation, 'turn it around' as you say, by leaving as you've been asked?!?


    Male Half-Elf Bard 4 | AC 20 | HP 44 | Fort +7, Ref +10, Will +8 | Perception +8, low-light vision | Focus Points 2/2 |
    Spells:
    1st - 3/3, 2nd - 3/3
    | Reactions: counterperformance

    Well, this situation certainly took a fast, negative turn.

    For the record, if Dagit wants to go ahead and summon that archon, it would probably be a very good idea. I don't think Aramil's words are actually going to defuse the situation, but in character he had to try.

    Liberty's Edge

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    Remember, in this campaign to start PvP is the fastest way for your character to die in a horrible fashion.

    So, children, take it easy... no one threaten anyone...

    Anyway, Rupert is trying to defuse the situation. I strongly recommend you all comply.

    And that includes Axhammer leaving. He is not helping right now.

    Silver Crusade

    male dwarf cleric 7

    Thanks, and sommoning an archon would be up to the Gods i chose... which are all the dwarven gods combined. So the most likely thing plainiar ally would get me is an inevitable or an earth elemental.


    Female Human Sorcerer 7
    Stats:
    Init +6 Perception +8

    I think Axhammer's comments are actually more serious than they appear.

    Paladin Code of Conduct:

    A paladin must be of lawful good alignment and loses all class features except proficiencies if she ever willingly commits an evil act.

    Additionally, a paladin's code requires that she respect legitimate authority, act with honor (not lying, not cheating, not using poison, and so forth), help those in need (provided they do not use the help for evil or chaotic ends), and punish those who harm or threaten innocents.

    If Coalhouse didn't mention murdering him at all, then Axhammer has pretty much openly lied in front of several witnesses a couple of times already. I'm sure Axhammer is cross, but just be careful man, lying is pretty much unequivocally against the Paladin code.

    Liberty's Edge

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    Yes, he is walking in a very fine thread, but he is still good...

    Sovereign Court

    Male Gnome oracle (enlightened philosopher) 1/paladin (Oath of Vengeance) 6

    until someone decides you'd be better off at Abadar's side

    He literally just spoke of having Axhammer murdered, you can be as snide and hateful as you want Wyrm, rude as well. But that doesn't stop the fact that the way you wrote that came off to me as a threat, you chose the words in such a way that it appears as if Coalhouse is making a very open suggestion on what is going to happen.

    Liberty's Edge

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    Yes, you can think what Coalhouse is a threat. That is why Rupert is ordering everyone to leave Axhammer alone.

    And he is also asking Axhammer to leave. Will he comply?

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