It seems I heard there was an adjustment announced at Paizocon regarding the playable races. Can anyone share the specifics and when this will be active?
Excellent, thank you.
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so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
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so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
I think you can. It's within the free rebuild rules.
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I think you can. It's within the free rebuild rules.so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
yeah, that's what I think too. just feels... "funny" though.
yay - time of the ifrit is coming
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so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
Sorry, no. If you wanted to turn that PC into an ifrit you would need to pay whatever the retrain cost is.
If it has 3xp, then yes. But 6xp is like you said third level and thus over the free retrain limit.
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so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
Sorry, no. If you wanted to turn that PC into an ifrit you would need to pay whatever the retrain cost is.
If it has 3xp, then yes. But 6xp is like you said third level and thus over the free retrain limit.
That is assuming that one has played him at some point after reaching said limit.
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That is assuming that one has played him at some point after reaching said limit.so... after GenCon, can I take one of my GM Babies and create it as an Ifrit?
Say my -22 character, who has 6XP all earned before today, but it has never actually played (well... he did play We B4 Goblins...but that doesn't count)... Can I then use it to produce a 3rd level Ifrit the first day of GenCon?
Sorry, no. If you wanted to turn that PC into an ifrit you would need to pay whatever the retrain cost is.
If it has 3xp, then yes. But 6xp is like you said third level and thus over the free retrain limit.
As I said - total GM Baby. Only "played" credit on him is as a Goblin (Poog).
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I've been gathering gm exp to eventually create my Undine Kineticist as a third-leveler, skipping those painful early levels. Turns out, my least played tier is 3-7 and not 1-5 so this gets me more action and saves some of those last few 1-5's left(5 in total, IIRC).
I've been thinking of just using this one as my "catch all" - seeing if I can run it all the way to retirement just on GM credits...
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As I said - total GM Baby. Only "played" credit on him is as a Goblin (Poog).
If it has any player credit on it (pregen or otherwise) it is no longer a GM baby and is subject to retraining rules.
If there is no player credit at all, then you can build it according to the rules in force the first time you play.
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Per the current Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide, p. 23, "At the start of a Pathfinder’s career, you are allowed to adjust your character before settling in for the long haul. Before you level up a character for the first time, you may change any aspect of it except its Pathfinder Society Number. Changes may only be made between adventures and before playing as a character above 1st level."
My understanding of that the last sentence is what allows your "GM Baby" to be rebuilt up until the first time it is played above 1st level (i.e., you can rebuild as a 3+ level character as long as it has never been played above 1st level). If the play credit for We B4 Goblins was applied to the character after it already had 3xp, the character is locked and retraining rules apply. Because the Guide says that you can change any aspect, I would suggest that this would include changing your race to another playable race that was added after your GM credits were assigned.
Have fun with your ifrit!
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Per the current Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guild Guide, p. 23, "At the start of a Pathfinder’s career, you are allowed to adjust your character before settling in for the long haul. Before you level up a character for the first time, you may change any aspect of it except its Pathfinder Society Number. Changes may only be made between adventures and before playing as a character above 1st level."
My understanding of that the last sentence is what allows your "GM Baby" to be rebuilt up until the first time it is played above 1st level (i.e., you can rebuild as a 3+ level character as long as it has never been played above 1st level). If the play credit for We B4 Goblins was applied to the character after it already had 3xp, the character is locked and retraining rules apply. Because the Guide says that you can change any aspect, I would suggest that this would include changing your race to another playable race that was added after your GM credits were assigned.
Have fun with your ifrit!
I do not understand the bolded sentence. If the "...character is locked and retraining rules apply", due to the We B4 Goblins chronicle being his 4th XP... how does this work? What is my PC "locked" into to be retrained from? It has not even been created yet (other than a number and chronicles assigned...)
For example, I have a PC that has:
1st CR The Confirmation (played as ... - I actually don't remember what.) dated 7/17/2015
2nd CR Masters of the Fallen Fortress (Judge Credit) dated 10/12/2015
3rd CR First Steps I (Judge Credit) dated 6/9/2016
4th CR We B4 Goblins (Poog) dated 6/18/2016
5th CR Trouble in Tamran (Judge Credit) dated 6/19/2016
so, if I don't run him as a PC (and thus BUILD him) until after GenCon, can he be built as an Ifrit, a race he could NOT have been when he earned the Chronicles?
I realize that the likely answer is "yes" - it just feels like I'm dodging around and taking advantage...
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I'm with Jon and Tony that playing with a pregen for credit that goes to a character counts as playing that character and if it occurred after the character had 3 xp already assigned, that counts as having played the character after 1st level. Normally, this would not be an issue since, as BNW said, the character is a ball of protoplasm that has not fully formed and there would be nothing to stop you from making the character as desired as long as you made it legal at 2nd level and beyond. The issue here is that you want to make use of a rules change that will occur after the character has become locked at 2nd level and that would mean you could not make it an ifrit because that race was not available at the time without a boon. My suggestion would be to contact your VC to see if they can assist you in reassigning your We B4 Goblins credit to another character number so that you have no play credit assigned past 1st level and don't have to worry about it.
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I'm with Jon and Tony that playing with a pregen for credit that goes to a character counts as playing that character and if it occurred after the character had 3 xp already assigned, that counts as having played the character after 1st level. Normally, this would not be an issue since, as BNW said, the character is a ball of protoplasm that has not fully formed and there would be nothing to stop you from making the character as desired as long as you made it legal at 2nd level and beyond. The issue here is that you want to make use of a rules change that will occur after the character has become locked at 2nd level and that would mean you could not make it an ifrit because that race was not available at the time without a boon. My suggestion would be to contact your VC to see if they can assist you in reassigning your We B4 Goblins credit to another character number so that you have no play credit assigned past 1st level and don't have to worry about it.
so... if we re-assign it to a different PC (a first level one), then I would still be able to assign a different run of WB4G to a DIFFERENT 2nd level PC... Perhaps even this one (if I played it after GenCon)?
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All evergreens can be played any number of times on 1st level characters and once on a 2nd level character. If the first one is re-assigned to a 1st level PC, then a future run could be assigned to a 2nd level PC (perhaps even the same one, provided that you are able to complete your rebuild beforehand).
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If you play a pre-gen and assign the chronicle to a GM blob with 4XP what exactly have you 'locked in'? You certainly haven't played "the character".
You actually have to settle on a character, build it and play that character above level 1 to lock it in. Until then it's just a ball of GM goop.
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My understanding has always been that the actual PC has to be played at XP4+ to 'lock' it.
A pregen is not the actual PC.
Huh. I'd rule that way as well. Given the variation of assumptions on this, may I suggest that we post this to campaign clarifications? This sounds to me like a Good subject for a FAQ request since there are two very different interpretations here.
Hmm
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My understanding has always been that the actual PC has to be played at XP4+ to 'lock' it.
A pregen is not the actual PC.
Huh. I'd rule that way as well. Given the variation of assumptions on this, may I suggest that we post this to campaign clarifications? This sounds to me like a Good subject for a FAQ request since there are two very different interpretations here.
Hmm
I don't think that there's anything to the lock interpretation, at all. If you have a mass of protoplasm and play a pregen.. what does your protoplasm lock into?
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I don't think that there's anything to the lock interpretation, at all. If you have a mass of protoplasm and play a pregen.. what does your protoplasm lock into?My understanding has always been that the actual PC has to be played at XP4+ to 'lock' it.
A pregen is not the actual PC.
Huh. I'd rule that way as well. Given the variation of assumptions on this, may I suggest that we post this to campaign clarifications? This sounds to me like a Good subject for a FAQ request since there are two very different interpretations here.
Hmm
I concur with BNW here. Unless you play your own actual character (i.e. not a pregen) your character isn't locked into anything. Nosig, since your character hasn't been built yet, when you get around to building it you can make an Ifrit.
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If playing a goblin pre-gen counts as having locked that character in, then you have a goblin as a character.
Goblins are not an allowable race, so your character is illegal. Get it fixed into a legal character before you bring that back to the table. What your GMing next week? And your on vacation the following week? Well, get it fixed before you bring it back! :P
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I am of the opinion that if the character has no build yet, it doesn't matter if it Hass 33 pregen play credits. At the time they choose to actually create the character they get to b use the rules available at that time.
In other words, there is no locking in if there is no build.
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I am simultaneously disappointed in this decision for the campaign, and building an Ifrit.
I feel bad for anyone who spent prestige on
I started PFS during season 5 when I would be the only human on the table, I think season 8 is going to be similar with core races becoming a minority. Fun fun.
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I started PFS during season 5 when I would be the only human on the table, I think season 8 is going to be similar with core races becoming a minority. Fun fun.
A big problem is that I and many otehrs been playing the hedgehogs in what is pretty much the same system for longer than some of our players have been alive: something new is always welcome.
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I am simultaneously disappointed in this decision for the campaign, and building an Ifrit.
I feel bad for anyone who spent prestige on ** spoiler omitted ** or traded for one of the genie-kin races recently. It also makes my Suli boon feel that much less special.
I started PFS during season 5 when I would be the only human on the table, I think season 8 is going to be similar with core races becoming a minority. Fun fun.
I'm actually thinking of applying the omitted spoiler to one of my other characters who's a bit more advanced for story development reasons. As a result, there's no loss there only gain.
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I'm actually thinking of applying the omitted spoiler to one of my other characters who's a bit more advanced for story development reasons. As a result, there's no loss there only gain.I am simultaneously disappointed in this decision for the campaign, and building an Ifrit.
I feel bad for anyone who spent prestige on ** spoiler omitted ** or traded for one of the genie-kin races recently. It also makes my Suli boon feel that much less special.
I started PFS during season 5 when I would be the only human on the table, I think season 8 is going to be similar with core races becoming a minority. Fun fun.
On top of that too its one of three chronicle sheets unique to core.