Maul of the Titans: How big is it?


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I'm running into a problem with this item. First of all, aside from giving length and weight, the description for a maul of the titans does not give its size. So, is it a Medium weapon, usable by Medium characters without penalty? Which means Small characters can't use it (as it's a 2-handed Medium weapon.)

Like most weapons, I am assuming this one can be created at different sizes. (My halfling wields a Small longsword, why not a Small maul of the titans?)

So in this adventure, there's an ogre wielding the maul. He's not taking an attack penalty for using a wrongly-sized weapon, so I assume it's Large. Meaning that if the party gets it off of him, no one can use it, as its a 2-handed Large weapon.

In Bestiary 2, the Elysian Titan wields this bad-boy, and again takes no attack penalty for a wrongly-sized weapon, meaning it's Colossal.

But this "weapon" is a wondrous item. Does it simply resize to the wielder's size?

I'd really like to get this sorted out before my party actually acquires this item. :(

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Taffer


Taffer wrote:

I'm running into a problem with this item. First of all, aside from giving length and weight, the description for a maul of the titans does not give its size. So, is it a Medium weapon, usable by Medium characters without penalty? Which means Small characters can't use it (as it's a 2-handed Medium weapon.)

Like most weapons, I am assuming this one can be created at different sizes. (My halfling wields a Small longsword, why not a Small maul of the titans?)

So in this adventure, there's an ogre wielding the maul. He's not taking an attack penalty for using a wrongly-sized weapon, so I assume it's Large. Meaning that if the party gets it off of him, no one can use it, as its a 2-handed Large weapon.

In Bestiary 2, the Elysian Titan wields this bad-boy, and again takes no attack penalty for a wrongly-sized weapon, meaning it's Colossal.

But this "weapon" is a wondrous item. Does it simply resize to the wielder's size?

I'd really like to get this sorted out before my party actually acquires this item. :(

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Taffer

Seems pretty straight to me as a medium weapon but worn wondrous items do change size to fit you, so if you wanted to you could rule it that way for a halfling melee combatant for example


Wondrous Items resize to fir their wearer, but weapons and armor never do.

This puts this item in a bit of a weird situation.

However, I forget the name of the item but there was an item in from Giantslayer AP that permanently increased or decreased the size of a weapon (towards that of the user). I believe it was like a metal shard that inserted itself into the weapon to change its size.

Worst case scenario, let the party find some of those.


The item description says:

"This mallet is 8 feet long."

That makes it the same size as a two-handed Medium-sized weapon.

The specific overrules the general, meaning it probably doesn't resize (since its size is explicitly called out). If I were GMing it though, I'd probably house rule that it does resize, just for convenience and because Small characters always get the short end of the stick with gear. (A pun was totally not intended there.)


8 feet seems pretty long for a weapon without Reach. Since no size is specified I guess it is Medium though - kind of an oddball item...


I'd let it resize, mostly because it doesn't specify it's size unlike the companion item mattock of the titans, which lists itself as a gargantuan warhammer.


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It's TITANIC!


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Claxon wrote:
Wondrous Items resize to fir their wearer, but weapons and armor never do.

Except Agrimmosh, also in Giantslayer. That's a special feature actually called out in the item description. It's also a major artifact.

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However, I forget the name of the item but there was an item in from Giantslayer AP that permanently increased or decreased the size of a weapon (towards that of the user). I believe it was like a metal shard that inserted itself into the weapon to change size.

Minderhal's forge, used in conjunction with Agrimmosh, does this.


Taffer, who is the GM vis a vis this decision?

The Maul of the Titans seems like a very badly designed magic item with an interesting feature enchantment feature. If I had a character using a Maul of the Titans, I'd customize it, making my own version via the Master Craftsman Feat or Ancestral Relic if I'm allowed to take 3.5 Feats.


Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

Hero Lab implements it as whatever size you need it to be. Not that this is a definitive rules claim, just that it seems to agree with the way any crafted weapon works. It's not an artifact, it just has a specific name and an odd mechanic. Very odd... so, the "small" version is 8' long, the "medium" version is 8' long, the "large" version is 8' long, hehe.


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Uh, I meant that a crafted weapon is the size you make it to be, not that they all resize.

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