Paladin advice

[Chess Pwn]

I have a bloodrager 1 paladin with a nodachi in heavy armor so 20ft movespeed.
I'm trying to decide if I want to go Oath of Vengeance paladin.
Temple champion paladin for trade subdomain to get the 10ft movespeed boost and the bonus to diplomacy and then the travel blessing for swift action to ignore difficult terrain.
or to go Warrior of the Holy Light for the extra lay on hands.

I don't care for the channel ability and the biggest lost for losing spellcasting is not being able to use cure light wounds wands since I'm raging during combat. The divine bond seems nice, getting keen early and cheaply for a few minutes and it scales up too.

[Stormagedon Dark Lord of All]

Go Warrior of the Holy Light; you don't want to lose Devine bond and Aura of Justice.

[James Gibbons]

If you go to medium armor you'll have 30 feet from bloodragers fast movement, though since you specifically mention heavy armor you probably know that, but just in case.

[-Grijm-]

Paladins have very good spells like Heroic Defiance and Litany of Righteousness, not really sure what you mean by "bloodrager 1 paladin", unless you meant a 1-2 lv dip in paladin, then it doesn't really matter.

[Deadmanwalking]

I'd go Oath of Vengeance. Extra Smites are super cool and very much worth the price of admission, as is keeping that sweet, sweet, Paladin spell casting.

[Chess Pwn]

-Grijm- wrote:

Paladins have very good spells like Heroic Defiance and Litany of Righteousness, not really sure what you mean by "bloodrager 1 paladin", unless you meant a 1-2 lv dip in paladin, then it doesn't really matter.

It means I have 1 level of bloodrager and the rest paladin.

Personally the Hero's Defiance spell was one of the reasons I wanted to be a paladin. But since I'm raging in combat I wont be able to cast it.

Litany of Righteousness is a nice effect. But I'm worried about "offensive" spells. My caster level is low for beating SR. My saving throws also aren't high since they are low level spells. And again, I'm raging, so I'd need to do it round 1 before raging and then I can't use it.

[MeanMutton]

Chess Pwn wrote:

-Grijm- wrote:

Paladins have very good spells like Heroic Defiance and Litany of Righteousness, not really sure what you mean by "bloodrager 1 paladin", unless you meant a 1-2 lv dip in paladin, then it doesn't really matter.

It means I have 1 level of bloodrager and the rest paladin.

Usually people will write that as Bloodrager 1 / Paladin X.

[Chess Pwn]

MeanMutton wrote:

Chess Pwn wrote:

-Grijm- wrote:

Paladins have very good spells like Heroic Defiance and Litany of Righteousness, not really sure what you mean by "bloodrager 1 paladin", unless you meant a 1-2 lv dip in paladin, then it doesn't really matter.

It means I have 1 level of bloodrager and the rest paladin.

Usually people will write that as Bloodrager 1 / Paladin X.

I just missed the X when typing it. My bad.

[Claxon]

Why the level in Bloodrager?

Regardless, Oath of Vengeance is good for having all the smiting glory!

[Chess Pwn]

The bloodrager is an Anger Id rager bloodrager. So when I rage I get +6 str and power attack. Plus qualifying for the furious weapon enhancement is so good too.

[-Grijm-]

Paladins are already very feat starved, buy just in case you would still like to cast spells while raging, there is always the "Mad Magic" Feat

[Rory]

Chess Pwn wrote:

Personally the Hero's Defiance spell was one of the reasons I wanted to be a paladin. But since I'm raging in combat I wont be able to cast it.

It's a free action to rage. It's a free action to end the rage. It's a swift action to Lay On Hands, and at 3rd level, you can remove the fatigued condition. It wouldn't be until level 4 before you get spells, so the option to rage and remove it in the same round is always there.

You shouldn't need access to Hero's Defiance when at full hitpoints anyways. It's only after you were hurt that you'd really want it available (and thus you'd Lay On Hands to heal yourself and then make it available).

Further, after you did use Hero's Defiance and don't have it memorized anymore, it would become a moot point for the rest of the day.

You don't have that many rounds of rage anyways to "interfere".

I'd wager that your build (and from what I know of you per past posts) will be able to strategically use Rage and Hero's Defiance in tandem quite well.

[Captain K.]

Take the Mad Magic feat. (Advanced Class Origins, iirc)

You can cast spells from other classes while in a bloodrage.

You really want to be able to cast in combat as a Paladin, things like Grace is good, Hero's Defiance is a genuine lifesaver and Litany of Righteousness alone is better than some class features.

[Rory]

Captain K. wrote:

Take the Mad Magic feat. (Advanced Class Origins, iirc)

What's a suggested target level for the feat?

It won't be until character level 5 prior to being able to cast the 1st spell. It won't be until character level ? when he has enough spells to really be worth taking a feat to cast when raging.

Remember also, the character can only rage for 6-ish rounds per day. That means at most, you can use Mad Magic six rounds per day, if you didn't use the auto-fatigue-removal-option at all.

It seems like a limited use feat until fairly high levels (11+ maybe?)

[Chess Pwn]

I have the extra rage feat, fey founding, and power attack while raging. So I have 12 rounds of rage and I feel like I'm covered on feats. I'm actually trying to figure out what to take as my lv5 feat. Thinking of extra lay on hands or greater mercy.

Mad magic could work, but I think I'm going to try the drop out of rage if getting to low that Hero's defiance might be needed.