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Hi David. I hope you can get your request approved.
In the meantime, my friend had a similar problem when he was making his Asmodean Advocate. His solution was to take Channel Force (he had an Aasimar boon). Without a race boon, Channel Ray is the alternative. A bit worse; can miss, but can crit. Now this is more of a band-aid than a real cure. Still, it makes Negative Channel not-useless/less-useless and you can actually make use of it without killing your party.
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Hi David. I hope you can get your request approved.
In the meantime, my friend had a similar problem when he was making his Asmodean Advocate. His solution was to take Channel Force (he had an Aasimar boon). Without a race boon, Channel Ray is the alternative. A bit worse; can miss, but can crit. Now this is more of a band-aid than a real cure. Still, it makes Negative Channel not-useless/less-useless and you can actually make use of it without killing your party.
You can use negative channel quite effectively within a party by simply getting Selective Channel feat. I get it that positive channel is nice to heal, but a nice AOE damage is also very effective. Just ask the PFS characters that accompanied my cleric in the Emerald Spire.
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Negative Channel would work well with Selective Channel if it was not Charisma-capped. Wisdom is still your primary as a Cleric, and you would need a bare minimum of 16 Charisma to select out your party if they're within 30'. The PFS group cap is 6, sometimes 7. That is 20 or 22 Charisma to guarantee you don't hit someone on your team. There's also little Timmy the innocent bystander... :(
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Pfft I usually get to exclude 3 people. If there are more than 3 in the radius then they deserve to go. =)
¡Ay, caramba! Fair enough. :) As I mentioned though, I'd probably get Channel Ray if I made my own Negative Channeler. Or Channel Force, if I was lucky enough to have an Aasimar Chronicle on hand.
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Pfft I usually get to exclude 3 people. If there are more than 3 in the radius then they deserve to go. =)
That's all fine and dandy, but this is PFS.
If one of the players you can't exclude says that they don't want you to channel and hurt them, and you can't convince one of your three excludes to take it, you can't do it. It's that simple.|
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Pfft I usually get to exclude 3 people. If there are more than 3 in the radius then they deserve to go. =)That's all fine and dandy, but this is PFS.
If one of the players you can't exclude says that they don't want you to channel and hurt them, and you can't convince one of your three excludes to take it, you can't do it. It's that simple.
I wouldn't consider it PVP if it is just something that is unavoidable, like Murderous Command.
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It doesn't matter. Staying within "healing distance" of the cleric is actually quite common, even if they can only channel negative. They can activate wands, and usually have one.
And if you're a channeling-focused cleric, it's more than likely that you're not a combat cleric. In which case the melee characters staying within 30 feet of you is almost a given.
Actively hurting any party member through your direct, willing actions is PVP, and I have never had any negative channeler allowed to channel negative when someone said no.
Edit: also, it is avoidable. By you not being allowed to do it. It's like the wizard's fireball. If a party member in the blast says no, even one, then it's a no go. Can't happen. The same goes for your channel.
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Well, yeah. It actually goes along the lines of "don't use your PC to kill another players' PC".
But if the person says they don't want you to perform an AOE that will hurt them (even if there's a safe for half/none), then they can't.
I don't think anyone thinks that you can damage a PC without their permission, no?
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Expect plenty of table variation on when and where you can channel negative energy. From discussions I have heard it can range anywhere from "you can't do it if it will hurt any member of the team" to "As long as you don't kill a PC you are fine"
There is certainly some grey area on what the rule means and that means asking the GM if you plan on channeling negative energy a lot. I think most will fall somewhere between those two extremes, with "as long as the players you will hurt are OK with it then go ahead" being the majority answer.
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Make an Asmodeus worshiping life oracle.
4 skills/level and high charisma will probably come out about the same.
Eldritch heritage (Arcane) gets you a viper familiar.
Pick say haunted to get some trickery domain like spells (or another curse if you prefer Tongues:infernal seems appropriate, in combat you only speak legalese)
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My question about Pact Servant, why not allow it in a limited caseBecause paladins.
That's certainly one reason.
As I recall writing once before (can't find it now, so I might have merely discussed it in person with someone), there are two other key considerations. The first is that every alignment step a divine spellcaster is away from her deity, the more a departure it is from that deities core values. This causes issues for a paladin, certainly, but it has a significant impact on other characters, too. No doubt in a home game the GM and player can walk that fine line in a mutually agreeable fashion. I, however, am concerned how this trait would impact the setting integrity in the context of the organized play campaign.
Second, when it comes to certain esoteric character options (e.g. distant races, weird technology, etc.) I prefer to hold back on some of it until there can be an adventure that portrays that character option in play. In a recent interview, I used the example of catfolk, noting that once we come up with a good scenario idea that involves one or more key catfolk NPCs, that would help integrate that race as a player option.
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1. Pact servant may not do what you want.
Your faith focuses on finding the good in unusual places and appreciating the nuances of virtue in the world.Benefit You may treat Asmodeus as if he were a lawful neutral deity for the purposes of determining your own alignment as a cleric, inquisitor, or other divine spellcaster. You may not select the evil domain unless your own alignment also contains an evil aspect.
It says treat Asmodeus as if he were a lawful Nuetral when determining your own alignment. So you would be a good cleric of an evil deity. good clerics channel positive, clerics of evil deities channel negative. There are no rules for what a good cleric of an evil deity channels, it would come down to GM ruling. I would say that Asmodeus, as an evil deity, cannot grant channel postive, so you would either channel negative or lose channeling all together.
Anyway, onwards.
There continue to be no plan to introduce the Pact Servant faith trait into the organized play campaign. Others here have suggested some fun alternatives if you're interested in an Asmodean with a knack for healing others.My goal wasnt a follower of Asmodeus, but rather the fairly cool archetype that is PFS legal, (Allows profession Barrister as both Diplomacy and Bluff, you get a familiar and improved familiar for free) and to fill the role as a healer. (I have some good RP ideas for this)
Translation: There is this really cool archtype, that grants these really cool powers. And the only price is that you have to follow Asmodeus. I want the powers, but I don't want to have to pay the price.
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I apparently failed my Profession (Paizo Board Lurker) check on this one.
David, to piggy-back on what John's response was to my tongue-in-cheek comment about paladins, keep in mind that any time Paizo opens "specific exceptions" such as the one you are referring to, the law of unintended consequences rears its ugly head. This trait in particular was likely intended mostly innocuously so that there could be good people legitimately worshiping an evil deity due to the deceptive nature of said deity. It devolved to a "ha ha paladins of Asmodeus" thread, much to the dismay of the person who wrote the trait.
For the record, I agree it's a neat archtype. I wrote my -66 around it :). I just don't think you're going to manage to shoehorn in a healing cleric of Asmodeus around it, especially as Jared notes, it doesn't actually affect the actual alignment of the deity, it only allows you to worship a deity that your alignment would normally prohibit.