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Yes, you can buy Small, Medium, or Large weapons. No, other size are available (to my knowledge), without appearing on a chronicle or having some other way of re-sizing.
For more information:
Thread 2 Which has a nice concise answer at post 11.
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First, thanks.
Second, now that I know they are legal, let me double check I understand them. From PRD:
"Weapon Size: Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. A weapon's size category isn't the same as its size as an object. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature wields a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon (it still takes the –2 penalty for using an inappropriately sized weapon). If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
Hmm...Okay, so I'm only at -2 for each size category bigger a weapon is.
Furthermore, changing the size affects the rules related to it's use. A small creature could use a Dagger as a two handed weapon by increasing it to large size and taking a -4 on the to-hit roll. Meanwhile, a large creature could wield a small version of a longspear, which actually becomes a light weapon and is therefore affected by weapon finesse.
In addition, the proficiency isn't related to a weapons size, so a large dagger and small dagger are both cover by weapon proficiency (Dagger). The weapon size penalty for inappropriately sized weapons is an additional penalty.
Last, the weapon's size doesn't affect other rules related to the classification of the weapon. So if my character has to use a sacred weapon, I can vary the size of the weapon to obtain alternate profiles of that weapon.
Do I have it right?
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And a follow up.
Gauntlets, Scizors, Armor Spikes, and brass knuckles. Can I get bigger and smaller versions of those?
Okay, so the idea of the Large Bastard Sword is that Exotic Proficiency (bastard sword) allows one-handed use, so the Large version is two-handed.
So, can I make a Large Lance? Obviously, I could only wield it while mounted.
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Meanwhile, a large creature could wield a small version of a longspear, which actually becomes a light weapon and is therefore affected by weapon finesse.
^ this part is incorrect.
With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls.
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Gauntlets, Scizors, Armor Spikes, and brass knuckles. Can I get bigger and smaller versions of those?
Yes.
Okay, so the idea of the Large Bastard Sword is that Exotic Proficiency (bastard sword) allows one-handed use, so the Large version is two-handed.
So, can I make a Large Lance? Obviously, I could only wield it while mounted.
A Bastard Sword is a one-handed weapon, where as a Lance is two-handed. When you create a large-sized Bastard Sword, it's wielded as a two-handed weapon. When you create a large-sized Lance, it's unwieldable by a medium-sized creature:
If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
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Meanwhile, a large creature could wield a small version of a longspear, which actually becomes a light weapon and is therefore affected by weapon finesse.^ this part is incorrect.
With a light weapon, rapier, whip, or spiked chain made for a creature of your size category, you may use your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier on attack rolls.
Except from my longer quote above:
In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder,
By making a longspear two sizes smaller than the wielder, it becomes a light weapon, as far as I can tell. So a Small Longspear in the hands of a Large creature would be a light weapon.
As per your quote of weapon finesse, light weapons benefit from dex instead of strength.
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A Bastard Sword is a one-handed weapon, where as a Lance is two-handed. When you create a large-sized Bastard Sword, it's wielded as a two-handed weapon. When you create a large-sized Lance, it's unwieldable by a medium-sized creature.
The bastard sword is a two handed martial weapon that can become a one handed exotic weapon, as far as I can tell. So a large version of the Exotic use of the weapon, could be a Large weapon.
The lance can be wielded in one hand while the wielder is mounted. So, while mounted, a medium character should be able to wield a Large Lance with Two-hands.
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One of the FAQs on this very subject resulted from a request I made a few years ago. Everything you've asked is either covered in the FAQ, or can be found by searching over in the Rules Forum.
Link? I did some searches prior to posting. I found other threads with confusion, plus many class specific threads on the subject. I didn't find your FAQ.
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Am I the only one who is genuinely confused how people think you can't get larger weapons than large from this? Always available only covers weapons and items which are available to characters regardless of their fame scores. The section even specifically says purchasing additional items "by capitalizing on your fame score".
The guide also says on Page 22:
PCs purchasing equipment other than Small and Medium must adjust the price per the existing weapon size rules.
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Am I the only one who is genuinely confused how people think you can't get larger weapons than large from this? Always available only covers weapons and items which are available to characters regardless of their fame scores. The section even specifically says purchasing additional items "by capitalizing on your fame score".
From my earlier PRD quote:
If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
So, while you could technically have a medium PC use a huge version of a normally light medium weapon, anything beyond that isn't an option to actually wield.
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A Bastard Sword is a one-handed weapon, where as a Lance is two-handed. When you create a large-sized Bastard Sword, it's wielded as a two-handed weapon. When you create a large-sized Lance, it's unwieldable by a medium-sized creature.The bastard sword is a two handed martial weapon that can become a one handed exotic weapon, as far as I can tell. So a large version of the Exotic use of the weapon, could be a Large weapon.
The lance can be wielded in one hand while the wielder is mounted. So, while mounted, a medium character should be able to wield a Large Lance with Two-hands.
A bastard sword is a one-handed exotic weapon that can be wielded in two hands as a martial weapon. It is not a two handed weapon. Thus, Amiri can wield a large sized one, with the exotic weapon proficiency, but the large one is a two-handed weapon for her.
One-Handed Melee Weapons
Sword, bastard 35 gp 1d8 1d10 19–20/×2 — 6 lbs. S —
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Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.
A lance is a two-handed weapon that can be wielded with one hand while mounted.
Two-Handed Melee Weapons
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Lance 10 gp 1d6 1d8 ×3 — 10 lbs. P reach
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Lance: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.
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A Bastard Sword is a one-handed weapon, where as a Lance is two-handed. When you create a large-sized Bastard Sword, it's wielded as a two-handed weapon. When you create a large-sized Lance, it's unwieldable by a medium-sized creature.The bastard sword is a two handed martial weapon that can become a one handed exotic weapon, as far as I can tell. So a large version of the Exotic use of the weapon, could be a Large weapon.
The lance can be wielded in one hand while the wielder is mounted. So, while mounted, a medium character should be able to wield a Large Lance with Two-hands.
A bastard sword is a one-handed exotic weapon that can be wielded in two hands as a martial weapon. It is not a two handed weapon. Thus, Amiri can wield a large sized one, with the exotic weapon proficiency, but the large one is a two-handed weapon for her.
One-Handed Melee Weapons
Sword, bastard 35 gp 1d8 1d10 19–20/×2 — 6 lbs. S —
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Sword, Bastard: A bastard sword is about 4 feet in length, making it too large to use in one hand without special training; thus, it is an exotic weapon. A character can use a bastard sword two-handed as a martial weapon.A lance is a two-handed weapon that can be wielded with one hand while mounted.
Two-Handed Melee Weapons
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Lance 10 gp 1d6 1d8 ×3 — 10 lbs. P reach
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Lance: A lance deals double damage when used from the back of a charging mount. While mounted, you can wield a lance with one hand.
So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
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So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
I believe DesolateHarmony's post is meant to convey that a weapon's type is determined by its placement in the weapon table, and that specific weapon text allowing alternate wielding options does not shift that type.
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I believe DesolateHarmony's post is meant to convey that a weapon's type is determined by its placement in the weapon table, and that specific weapon text allowing alternate wielding options does not shift that type.So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
Then is he suggesting that the alternate wielding options do not relate to size of the weapon?
So a bastard sword is always wield-able as a two-handed martial melee weapon, regardless of size? Seems very fishy.
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I believe DesolateHarmony's post is meant to convey that a weapon's type is determined by its placement in the weapon table, and that specific weapon text allowing alternate wielding options does not shift that type.So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
Then is he suggesting that the alternate wielding options do not relate to size of the weapon?
So a bastard sword is always wield-able as a two-handed martial melee weapon, regardless of size? Seems very fishy.
A bastard sword is an exotic one-handed melee weapon that can be wielded as a martial two-handed weapon, regardless of size. If you are a medium character, you can wield a large bastard sword as a two-handed weapon if you have the exotic weapon prof for it, as you are wielding it as an oversize one-handed weapon. IF you only have Martial proficiency, a large bastard sword cannot be wielded by a medium character, because it is a oversize two-handed weapon.
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I believe DesolateHarmony's post is meant to convey that a weapon's type is determined by its placement in the weapon table, and that specific weapon text allowing alternate wielding options does not shift that type.So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
Exactly. Thank you for stating it so clearly.
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I believe DesolateHarmony's post is meant to convey that a weapon's type is determined by its placement in the weapon table, and that specific weapon text allowing alternate wielding options does not shift that type.So are you arguing against or for the idea of a Large Lance?
Seems like a Large Lance would be an option for a medium character, provided you used two hands while mounted, and you'd be unable to wield it if you dismounted.
Then is he suggesting that the alternate wielding options do not relate to size of the weapon?
So a bastard sword is always wield-able as a two-handed martial melee weapon, regardless of size? Seems very fishy.
Imbicatus has the way it has been ruled over the past few years. Since the bastard sword is a one-handed weapon, you can wield a large-sized bastard sword in two hands as a medium creature, if you have the exotic proficiency.
For a lance, it is a two-handed weapon, and so a medium creature cannot wield a large-sized lance, barring some class-specific abilities.
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A Tiny-sized creature could wield a Tiny-sized Lance in one hand.
A Small-sized creature could wield a Small-sized Lance in one hand.
A Large-sized creature could wield a Large-sized Lance in one hand.
A Huge-sized creature could wield a Huge-sized Lance in one hand.
A Gargantuan-sized creature could wield a Gargantuan-sized Lance in one hand.
A Colossal-sized creature could wield a Colossal-sized Lance in one hand.
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A Tiny-sized creature could wield a Tiny-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
A Small-sized creature could wield a Small-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
A Large-sized creature could wield a Large-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
A Huge-sized creature could wield a Huge-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
A Gargantuan-sized creature could wield a Gargantuan-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
A Colossal-sized creature could wield a Colossal-sized Lance in one hand while mounted.
FTFY
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For a lance, it is a two-handed weapon, and so a medium creature cannot wield a large-sized lance, barring some class-specific abilities.So even though the text allows 1-handed use while mount, that doesn't apply in any respect with larger/smaller versions of the weapon?
A lance is a two-handed weapon. A lance one size-class larger than the wielder is not usable at all, such as a large lance for a medium-sized wielder. So, it does not matter if it can be used one-handed on a mount, as it is not usable at all.
Weapon Size: Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed.
A weapon's size category isn't the same as its size as an object. Instead, a weapon's size category is keyed to the size of the intended wielder. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.
Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
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So, a medium-sized Titan Fighter or Titan Mauler could purchase and use a Huge Falcata?
Med Falcata - 1H
Large Falcata - 2H
Huge Falacata - 2H (per Giant Weapon Wielder for TF, errata'd Massive Weapons for TM)
Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Martinsville
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Keep this in mind.
The Jotungrip ability does NOT allow the larger weapon to be weilded, the ability after that (Massive Weapons) does, though as a Two Handed Weapon (total of -6 to wield, with the attack roll penalty reduced making it -5 at third level).
That is how I read it.
Medium to Large, there is nothing that allows for a Huge Two Handed weapon (two steps higher) for a medium creature.
Unless I am missing something, the weapon still keeps it's Two Handed designation.
Being able to wield the normal sized weapon One Handed does not allow for the Larger weapon to be used as a One Handed weapon wielding it with two hands. The weapon itself is still a Two Handed Weapon.
Where does it say that either of these Archtypes can wield weapon two steps higher? (Medium Creature wielding a Huge Two Handed Weapon)
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If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.
So that's your logic with the lance. Meh, I'll drop this one for now. I don't really want to run a lance anyway.
Asked it before, but didn't get an answer. Can I get Larger versions of items which are specifically usable as improvised weapons? For example, buying torches a size larger than my PC. Or an oversized Crowbar?
Mostly, I'm wondering about using a two handed torch, and if that's an option. Doesn't exactly seem like something that wouldn't work. Plus, if a small creature uses a medium's torch, this should already be happening.
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What book has a large-sized torch available for purchase?
Not what I said, I was talking about a small character using a medium torch from a medium character. If a torch is a one-handed weapon, then a medium character's torch is a two-handed torch for a small character.
As written, I don't think the torches really have a size, as it's just assumed that you'd be using one of your size. The size only really matters when you attempt to use it as an improvised weapon.
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So, a medium-sized Titan Fighter or Titan Mauler could purchase and use a Huge Falcata?
Med Falcata - 1H
Large Falcata - 2H
Huge Falacata - 2H (per Giant Weapon Wielder for TF, errata'd Massive Weapons for TM)
Yes you can for the reasons provided from the guide above.
Not quite. Small, Medium and Large-sized weapons are always available for purchase. If they found a huge weapon on a chronicle sheet then yes.
While these items are always available I think you are a little confused on what it means. He can purchase a Huge Falcata according to the guide. If someone could only purchase the always available items or chronicle sheet items there would be significantly less magic weapons around with more than +1 bonuses.
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So, a medium-sized Titan Fighter or Titan Mauler could purchase and use a Huge Falcata?
Med Falcata - 1H
Large Falcata - 2H
Huge Falacata - 2H (per Giant Weapon Wielder for TF, errata'd Massive Weapons for TM)
No this doesn't work.
a titan fighter can wield two-handed melee weapons intended for creatures one size category larger than himself
She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger
As the Huge Falcata is meant and intended for Huge One-Handed use it isn't a meant or intended large two handed use. So neither ability works for it.
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What book has a large-sized torch available for purchase?Not what I said, I was talking about a small character using a medium torch from a medium character. If a torch is a one-handed weapon, then a medium character's torch is a two-handed torch for a small character.
As written, I don't think the torches really have a size, as it's just assumed that you'd be using one of your size. The size only really matters when you attempt to use it as an improvised weapon.
There are no small/medium/large torches, there's just torches. If you look in the CRB in the equipment table you'll see there isn't a superscript 1 next to torch's weight. That means a halfling is using the same sized torch as a human or hill giant. So yeah, a halfling wielding a torch as an improvised weapon would probably need two hands.
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Not quite. Small, Medium and Large-sized weapons are always available for purchase. If they found a huge weapon on a chronicle sheet then yes.While these items are always available I think you are a little confused on what it means. He can purchase a Huge Falcata according to the guide. If someone could only purchase the always available items or chronicle sheet items there would be significantly less magic weapons around with more than +1 bonuses.
The problem is that there is no cost formula for huge weapons in the CRB (though there is one for armor).
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Re: Bastard Sword
It's an exotic, one-handed weapon (w/ a two-handed martial prof. option). If it's one size too large then it becomes an exotic, two-handed weapon with a -2 penalty (and no martial prof. option).
A medium PC without Exotic Weapon Proficiency can wield a Large Bastard Sword in two hands. Add on the -4 for non-proficiency for a total of -6. This mirrors how if a PC w/o EWP wanted to wield a normal bastard sword in one hand. They can, they're just not proficient.
Summon Nature's Ally, summon a Cyclops, hand it a Huge-sized Bastard Sword and an Ioun Stone for proficiency.
That's at least two rounds of preparing before you or the cyclops can engage in combat. That's not counting the round spent summoning.
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The problem is that there is no cost formula for huge weapons in the CRB (though there is one for armor).Not quite. Small, Medium and Large-sized weapons are always available for purchase. If they found a huge weapon on a chronicle sheet then yes.While these items are always available I think you are a little confused on what it means. He can purchase a Huge Falcata according to the guide. If someone could only purchase the always available items or chronicle sheet items there would be significantly less magic weapons around with more than +1 bonuses.
A larger version is always twice as much as the last step.
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Summon Nature's Ally, summon a Cyclops, hand it a Huge-sized Bastard Sword and an Ioun Stone for proficiency.That's at least two rounds of preparing before you or the cyclops can engage in combat. That's not counting the round spent summoning.
Don't forget the weight. A huge bastard sword should be 24lbs. Not a big deal for the Cyclops, but the caster might think twice about hauling that weight around.
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