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I have a .pdf of the Pathfinder Field Guide and a hard copy of the Primer.
I've read somewhere about resonant powers for ioun stones in Wayfinders, but I can't find where the descriptors are for 'normal' stones? It's very possible I'm just over-reading and missing it, it happens to me sometimes?
I'm in particular looking for information on the one that's a 'no-sale' on Dominate, because of something that happened to one of my characters.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Seeker of Secrets isn't that obscure.
And it's not just the resonant powers of ioun stones that you'll want the book for. There are actually a TON of ioun stone options introduced in that book, which are useful for all kinds of PCs.
I have around 16 of Paizo's soft cover "splat" books, and SoS is the one that I've used options from on more of my PFS characters than any other. I highly recommend it.
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He may be referring to the fact that Seeker of Secrets is only available as PDF and cannot be purchased at most retail locations.
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Seeker of Secrets isn't that obscure.
And it's not just the resonant powers of ioun stones that you'll want the book for. There are actually a TON of ioun stone options introduced in that book, which are useful for all kinds of PCs.
I have around 16 of Paizo's soft cover "splat" books, and SoS is the one that I've used options from on more of my PFS characters than any other. I highly recommend it.
Agreed. The +1 initiative ioun stone is always a popular sale.
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Agreed. The +1 initiative ioun stone is always a popular sale.Seeker of Secrets isn't that obscure.
And it's not just the resonant powers of ioun stones that you'll want the book for. There are actually a TON of ioun stone options introduced in that book, which are useful for all kinds of PCs.
I have around 16 of Paizo's soft cover "splat" books, and SoS is the one that I've used options from on more of my PFS characters than any other. I highly recommend it.
Don't forget, that book is also where the rules about imbedding Ioun stones are.
To assist, you can see what the SRD has on Ioun Stones and Wayfinders, which includes resonant powers and implantation.
/cevah
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Would it be too much to ask for a 'Master Handbook to the PFS' with all this in one spot?
I really don't see the point to reprinting this stuff in a new book. There are over 100 books listed in the Additional Resources page with stuff that you can use on your PFS character. Seeker of Secrets is one of them. Why would Paizo waste page count in a new book reprinting that material?
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Hmmm... They used to say we'd get a PFS book every couple of years. It's been a while since the PFS Primer. I know Mike kept wanting a hardcover PFS book. That'd be sweet. They need to make that a GenCon book for volunteers. :) I know I'd much prefer something like it over a book about horror. :/
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So wait, you'd be able to buy one book instead of a hundred to have access to all the options? I'm not sure that's a great business model...
To be fair, it worked pretty damn well for Ultimate Equipment.
Group the info from Seekers of Secrets, the Field Guide, the Primer, and an equal amount of unique new stuff and you'd sell it to me.
It'd be cool to see a 'PFS-specialized' archetype for more classes. Grenadier(Alchemist), Lore Warden (Fighter), and Seeker (Oracle/Sorcerer) were all EXCELLENT.
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So wait, you'd be able to buy one book instead of a hundred to have access to all the options? I'm not sure that's a great business model...To be fair, it worked pretty damn well for Ultimate Equipment.
Group the info from Seekers of Secrets, the Field Guide, the Primer, and an equal amount of unique new stuff and you'd sell it to me.
It'd be cool to see a 'PFS-specialized' archetype for more classes. Grenadier(Alchemist), Lore Warden (Fighter), and Seeker (Oracle/Sorcerer) were all EXCELLENT.
I'm in total agreement, but I don't think Paizo is particularly motivated to lose the income stream on all those largely-obsolete books.
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I'm in total agreement, but I don't think Paizo is particularly motivated to lose the income stream on all those largely-obsolete books.So wait, you'd be able to buy one book instead of a hundred to have access to all the options? I'm not sure that's a great business model...To be fair, it worked pretty damn well for Ultimate Equipment.
Group the info from Seekers of Secrets, the Field Guide, the Primer, and an equal amount of unique new stuff and you'd sell it to me.
It'd be cool to see a 'PFS-specialized' archetype for more classes. Grenadier(Alchemist), Lore Warden (Fighter), and Seeker (Oracle/Sorcerer) were all EXCELLENT.
What about newer players who are not likely to go back and get the obsolete books (or likely PDFs)? I would very much like to buy one book that has all that information in it.
Having said this, I don't see it happening.
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What about newer players who are not likely to go back and get the obsolete books (or likely PDFs)?
They will if they want to use the material for a PFS character. Out of print books are not necessarily lost revenue streams. The pdf option makes most/all books viable years after their print run is gone. If you REALLY want a [print] book there is always the secondary market like eBay.
Since gaming is becoming more and more a digital format genre, it makes sense to maintain a healthy library of PDF offerings. Maybe if/when the sale of many of the older books with similar themes drops enough, they will decide to package the material and re-release it. You certainly don't want to force books into obsolescence by releasing the same material in another book if the original is still a generating reliable revenue.
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Some of the fluff may be obsolete, but there's still plenty of good stuff in those books.
Honestly, if I was talking to a new player about what books to buy, Seeker of Secrets would be at the top of my list for the smaller soft cover books. I didn't realize hard copies were no longer available, but the pdf is still well worth picking up.
Like I mentioned upthread, there are a ton of ioun stone options in SoS, so you should find something from that book to use on almost any PC. And not just the expensive stuff when you can afford to spend 5k on a stone. I recently bought a cracked ioun stone from that book for a level 1 PFS PC for 400 gp. And at least 5 or 6 of my PCs have the 500 gp stone that gives +1 initiative.
I'd say that SoS is probably 4th only behind the Core Rulebook, Advanced Players Guide, and Advanced Race Guide in order of how many of my PFS PCs have used options taken from that book.
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Some of the fluff may be obsolete, but there's still plenty of good stuff in those books.
Honestly, if I was talking to a new player about what books to buy, Seeker of Secrets would be at the top of my list for the smaller soft cover books. I didn't realize hard copies were no longer available, but the pdf is still well worth picking up.
Like I mentioned upthread, there are a ton of ioun stone options in SoS, so you should find something from that book to use on almost any PC. And not just the expensive stuff when you can afford to spend 5k on a stone. I recently bought a cracked ioun stone from that book for a level 1 PFS PC for 400 gp. And at least 5 or 6 of my PCs have the 500 gp stone that gives +1 initiative.
I'd say that SoS is probably 4th only behind the Core Rulebook, Advanced Players Guide, and Advanced Race Guide in order of how many of my PFS PCs have used options taken from that book.
And I know what scenario you played to get access to! LOL! Cause I did the same thing too!
Would it be too much to ask for a 'Master Handbook to the PFS' with all this in one spot?
The Archives of Nethys does a good job of listing PFS acceptability, and even lets you filter searches by PFS legal.
/cevah
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An Ultimate Guide to the Pathfinder Society would make a splendid hardback, I think. It could contain the clarifications, some or most of the options from the three previous books, new options specific for the new factions and seasons, and if they timed it to be the GenCon release it could tie in with whatever new features were released for the society that year.
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Would it be too much to ask for a 'Master Handbook to the PFS' with all this in one spot?The Archives of Nethys does a good job of listing PFS acceptability, and even lets you filter searches by PFS legal.
/cevah
Unfortunately, I can't take AoN to a table and have it be 'legit'. And I'm kind of tired of .pdfs (I DO NOT HAVE A TABLET) and the amount of printing they require. Pretty sure I'm not the only one in this boat.
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The Archives of Nethys is a great tool for finding stuff that you want to use on your characters, and pointing out what book to find it in. But yes, you do still need to buy the book, either as a hard copy or pdf.
You don't have to print an entire pdf to use stuff from that book on your characters. Personally, I use too many books for things on my PCs to carry that many books to game days, so I love buying them as pdfs. I have a folder for each of my PFS PCs, containing the character sheet, chronicles, Inventory Tracking Sheets, and printouts of whatever pages I use from various books for mechanical stuff on that PC.
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Honestly, if I was talking to a new player about what books to buy, Seeker of Secrets would be at the top of my list for the smaller soft cover books. I didn't realize hard copies were no longer available, but the pdf is still well worth picking up.
When I was looking at PDFs during the last sale I chose to go with the Primer instead of the SoS. But this time around, yea, I will be going with SoS.
Just would be nice if all those older versions were combined into one source.
Unfortunately, I can't take AoN to a table and have it be 'legit'. And I'm kind of tired of .pdfs (I DO NOT HAVE A TABLET) and the amount of printing they require. Pretty sure I'm not the only one in this boat.Would it be too much to ask for a 'Master Handbook to the PFS' with all this in one spot?The Archives of Nethys does a good job of listing PFS acceptability, and even lets you filter searches by PFS legal.
/cevah
Tablets can go for less than $50.
Phones that surf the web can usually display PDFs. At least the Android based ones. You got a fancy phone?
/cevah
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And some people do not have a spare $50 at the end of the month. And some people don't even have a cellular phone, let alone one that can handle pdfs. And some people $50 on a PDF display would be the difference between coming to game and not coming to game.
A lot of us on the internet, by our very ability to access the internet, are well above the bottom of the economic ladder. But that is no excuse to project our affluence onto others, and then deride them for not living up to our standard of living.
Please do not continue pushing this. If someone says "I do not have this resource" take them at face value. I know for a fact that Wei Ji knows that tablets can be had for $50 dollars, because every time this comes up, someone shoves it in their face.
Having heard any number of folks say they are saving up for a PDF, I readily agree that buying a tablet may not be an option.
However, cell phones do seem very prevalent, even to being found in poor African villages. I bought one at $20, and am considering another at $10. Neither comes with any plan, so they would be limited to wi-fi and local storage only. Given this age's obsession for selfies, and the tech available, I think most cell phones can do a fair amount of computer stuff.
I meant no disrespect, and was just pointing out people may already have something that can display a PDF.
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It's an option, sure. Printing is viable, but having to rely on someone else to utilize a PDF is obviously not ideal.
But, it's pretty frustrating to hear an RVC basically tell people to just get with the times, or try to find a copy on the secondary market (at least SoS isn't one of the books that costs an arm and a leg on the secondary market). Especially when a Pathfinder Society hardcover is something that has obvious interest from a lot of people in this thread. Especially when a similar product that has a mix of collected material alongside new material already exists, it's been done before, and from what I understand it was a pretty popular book.
(Full Disclosure: I primarily use PDF's, but the points raised are still valid.)
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It is not a solution for all of the issues, please keep in mind for the PDF Print outs that you are not required to print out the entire book. You can always print out the particular page or two that you need from a particular book. As long as it has the watermark at the bottom with your purchase information, you are fine. Print out one page and keep it with your character sheets. Never worry about it again.
Also, wow. The price on Seekers of Secrets has gone up from what I remember...
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Also, wow. The price on Seekers of Secrets has gone up from what I remember...
Somewhat, I was able to find physical copies on a certain popular internet retailer for the mid $20's, which is more than it originally cost but still a farsight better than some other out of print physical Paizo products, like the old Cheliax Player Companion.
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I would be very happy to buy an "Ultimate Society" or whatever it would be called. It would be very convenient, and I already have most of those PFS books on PDF.I might be a little concerned with having two sources for the same thing. Just wonder how many of them would end up like Scorpion Whip, where we had two DIFFERENT write-ups for the same thing. Then having to decide which is the "correct" one, or worse yet having one source being removed from the game... and realizing that a lot of people would just view it at "buying the same thing again".
But, a lot more people would be like, "Sweet! All this out of print material, available again, and in the same book for the first time!"
We might see people purchase faction prestige awards and vanities, which is something I haven't seen any newbies purchase in quite a while. Or, when they hear myself or someone talk about it, they get excited until they realize that it's out of print, and PDF's only.
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It could have the crunchy bits from the other books, plus different fluffy bits. We could have stuff like:
-How the nations of the Inner Sea view the Society.
-More information about famous Pathfinders like the Durvin Gest, Eando Kline, and the various VC's and faction heads.
-A look at the various past and present factions.
-A timeline of major events in the Society.
-Friends and Foes of the Society.
-And more!
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While it'd be unlikely to happen any time soon, the Society DOES have the Sky Key and they (apparently) aren't afraid to *use* it.
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Are Faction Prestige awards and vanities also in SoS? I've never managed to find them; aside from the mention of them in the Guide, I've never heard them so much as mentioned.{snip}
We might see people purchase faction prestige awards and vanities, which is something I haven't seen any newbies purchase in quite a while. Or, when they hear myself or someone talk about it, they get excited until they realize that it's out of print, and PDF's only.
They're in the Pathfinder Society Field Guide. I'm not sure if there are any in other books. Maybe the Primer?