Mystic Theurge force caster build.


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So I have a GM aasimar race boon. I'm building the above because I miss the 3.5 force Mage. But since so many force spells are divine, and because I wanted to build a USEFUL MT here goes:

Race: Classic aasimar

Str: 8
Dex: 12
Con: 14
Int: 14
Wis: 18
Cha: 12

1st lvl: Empyreal sorcerer, spells Magic Missile and Shield, feats Spell specialization (MM) traits magical knack and reactionary.
2nd lvl: cleric of Desna domains luck and good for the domain abilities and early domain spells.
3rd-4th lvls: lvls in cleric get access to spiritual weapon. Feat channel force
5th through 12 lvl mystic theurge.

Thoughts anyone? I think in the end, it's a great buffing and force dmg build.

Shadow Lodge

Not sure how you're entering MT at L5--you're missing 2nd level arcane spells to qualify.


You can no longer use SLAs to qualify for prestige class requirements. That decision was reversed by the Pathfinder Design Team, so affects the entirety of the rules (Not just PFS).

Edit: This is the new FAQ for it.


Well that sucks. I wonder why they changed it.

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Ross Tait wrote:
Well that sucks. I wonder why they changed it.

to do away with cheese builds...


Yeah, somebody abused it somewhere.

Grand Lodge

The origional change that allowed it was made to enable a few suboptimal prestige classes to become more competitive. Also to allow some things like allowing arcane strike for more characters.

However, what actually happened was that it didn't affect most suboptimal prestige classes, because they had high skill gates. Meanwhile it allowed some competitive prestige classes to become ridiculously powerful.

For example, I have a (grandfathered) Wizard 1 / bloatmage 4 / evangalist X. By 12th level I will have the bloatmage capstone. By level 15 I will have bloatmage and evangalist capstones... As it is, I can cast every round of combat, and end most scenarios with most of my memorized spells still uncast.

There are numerous other shenanigans.

So they reversed the decision, and settled for coming up with new classes and archtypes that fulfilled the same purpose.


Ok. New question: anything else that allows divine and arcane casting?

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Dragios wrote:
Ok. New question: anything else that allows divine and arcane casting?

What specific aspects of divine casting?

>Shaman's can take a spirit to give them some Arcane spells. If you can wait till higher level and use it as your wandering spirit you can swap them out every day like a wizard.
>Oracle Lorekeeper Archtype can grab Arcane Spells
>Hex Channeler Witch Archtype gets Channel with a full Arcane Spell List
>White Mage Arcanist - Not particularly good but available.
>Self-Perfection Psychic which gives you a handful of SLA style divine spells


But a white Mage arcanist does allow me to qualify for a mystic Theurge.

4lvls of archanist to qualify
1 lvl of oracle to build off of
And then the rest mystic Theurge.


Dragios wrote:

But a white Mage arcanist does allow me to qualify for a mystic Theurge.

4lvls of archanist to qualify
1 lvl of oracle to build off of
And then the rest mystic Theurge.

I do not think it works that way. The White Mage archetype allows the Arcanist to cast cure spells as if they were on it's spell list and prepared. Under the arcanist's spell casting feature it says that an arcanist casts arcane spells, not divine. I would expect that when a white mage casts cure spells, they would be arcane, kind of like a bard casting cure spells.

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Jayder22 wrote:
Dragios wrote:

But a white Mage arcanist does allow me to qualify for a mystic Theurge.

4lvls of archanist to qualify
1 lvl of oracle to build off of
And then the rest mystic Theurge.

I do not think it works that way. The White Mage archetype allows the Arcanist to cast cure spells as if they were on it's spell list and prepared. Under the arcanist's spell casting feature it says that an arcanist casts arcane spells, not divine. I would expect that when a white mage casts cure spells, they would be arcane, kind of like a bard casting cure spells.

Correct. I was listing ways to have a "Theurge-esque" character.


What about the Theurge base class in the New Paths Compendium from Kobold Press?


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Threadly reminder that that FAQ reversal is just cracking on fun


Mystic theurge without early entry is awful. You might consider an ancient lore keeper Oracle or lore shaman instead. Alternatively, false priest sorcerer can eventually do some interesting things with scrolls.

Scarab Sages

Ancient Lorekeeper Oracle. You get one arcane spell of each level as bonus spells known.

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