Your wrong, the "must" in the description is followed by "instead spend two uses of mythic power", its not that you must USE IT, its that you must PAY MORE to use it
Yeah, you're definitely not right, sorry.
There are two options.
1) You can choose to spend 1 point of mythic power on a non-critical hit to double the damage.
(all damage)*2.
2) You can choose to spend 2 points of mythic power on a critical hit to double the damage.
[(damage multiplied on a crit)*crit multiplier+ damage not multiplied on crit]*2.
By a strict reading of "RAW" yes you must spend two mythic points on a critical hit and must activate the ability. But that is a silly interpretation, the must part is to tell that you "must" spend two points instead of the normal 1 to activate the ability (because you're effectively going to get crit multiplier*2 in damage from that hit. That's going to be at least 4 times the damage, unless the doubling rule applies which would only make it 3....but since the mythic doubling applies to things that the critical multiplier doesn't...I think you apply them separately.
TL;DR - You're being too literal. Stahp.
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Your wrong. Claxton is explaining it right.
As a DM in mythic....if it seems OP...IT IS....mythic is utterly broken and just a game of rocket tag where a groups hammer can/should/and better deal 100% of the enemies HP of damage.
MMMmmmmmm brings back memories of my groups Scythe Vital strike 2 handed warrior Fighter. That hella powerful Foe-Biting making a critical a death sentence. Same guy who had over a 40 str and could check rooms by putting his head through the castle's wall to check....if something was in there he just made a new door with his Legendary Adamantine Scythe.
not whether im right or wrong. doesnt matter if im right or wrong, as the DM of that game im going to rule it as i see fit.
*cringes*
Dude, be careful with this, nearly every single DM i have met that used this reasoning very quickly turned into a tyrannical dictator and all of those groups died extremely quickly
HOWEVER
Not all the DMs i have seen use that are bad, a good friend of mine plays like this and it works well for his group, but I would never last long in his games because of other reasons
So please, just make sure you are careful with this train of thought
so my question to all of you. How do you read it, how would you rule it based on what it says.not whether im right or wrong. doesnt matter if im right or wrong, as the DM of that game im going to rule it as i see fit.
but its the question i was asking that im asking for.
The answer to how others would rule it is "Not like you". That's the answer, because your're wrong.
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not whether im right or wrong. doesnt matter if im right or wrong, as the DM of that game im going to rule it as i see fit.
Then rule as you see fit. I've seen many DMs make bad rulings and continue along with those for years. Just don't be surprised if some of your group gets tired of bad calls that effect their characters to a point that they no longer enjoy the character they built. I've seen it happen plenty of times in Roll20 games I play in. And even I have a small list of DMs not to play with because of Tyrannical mid game rulings that completely hose a player. The DM might be having fun sticking it to the players but typically it turns out that the players cease having fun when it happens on a regular basis.
so my question to all of you. How do you read it, how would you rule it based on what it says.not whether im right or wrong. doesnt matter if im right or wrong, as the DM of that game im going to rule it as i see fit.
but its the question i was asking that im asking for.
Bear in mind that all your ruling would do is effectively screw the player out of being able to choose when and how to spend his mythic pool.
Remember, if on the crit he doesn't spend two points it doesn't do anything. It's not like he can spend one to multiply the non-critical damage and add the critical damage to it.
You're pretty much just asking is the rules force the player to spend his resources. Almost universally it's a bad ruling to force the player to use resources he doesn't want to.
It's your call as a GM, but I think you should strongly reconsider. Such rulings are usually very unpopular with players because your are removing the ability for players to choose.
Claxon:
*Bear in mind that all your ruling would do is effectively screw the player out of being able to choose when and how to spend his mythic pool.*and the few villains that may or may not have the foebiting as well.
its a WotR game. it was doomed from day 1, but that was sometime last year or the year before thatt it began, its now book 6. at the Soul Foundry.
By the way, if you look at the top right of each post you'll see a link that says reply. It will automatically quote the post for you.
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yes i know but i dont want to quote the whole message.
Then you can edit out the other part. See below as an example:
yes i know but i dont want to
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I believe some of you are a little unclear of the point at which you are intended to spend the points. The very first part of foe-biting says "When this item deals damage"... the order in which the decisions are made is vague I will admit; however, I believe the following is with the spirit of the rule. Here is a flow chart to help illustrate the order in which I believe things should occur.
1. Make an attack, Was it a hit?
-->YES - add up how many points of damage and proceed to 2.
-->NO - you missed, better luck next time.
2. Was it a crit?
-->YES - proceed to 3.
-->NO - proceed to 4.
3. Spend TWO points?
-->YES - double damage, proceed to 5.
-->NO - normal crit damage, proceed to 5.
4. Spend ONE point?
-->YES - double damage, proceed to 5.
-->NO - normal damage, proceed to 5.
5. Apply damage to monster.
I hope this clears some things up.
Overall - It is "Must Instead..." - So you either choose to double all the damage or you choose not to as the others have stated above.
So it's an "Either / OR" situation, there is no forcing a players hand with this, because you would get into situations where someone crit someone with non-lethal and you would be forced to kill the person, because you had to pay the cost doubling every single bit of damage.
I agree with the ones above who stated that Mythic breaks games and where it seems broken, it probably is, however that is how it was designed. To be epic characters that could destroy whatever they wish, etc.
Bottom line, because I was asked to review this thread. The player must pay a mythic power point to activate the ability, it does not matter if it is a Critical hit or not. Critical just makes it more expensive.
As GM you do have final say, but a GM shouldn't run a game as "My word is law." The CRB (or GMG, I forget) even talks about how you should discuss all rule changes with players so everyone is on the same page, and everyone is having fun.
What do your players think? If you're the only one advocating this view, it's probably best to relent (and TBH, it seems rather punitive).
Remember, fun is the end goal.
As to the question, it sounds like you're suggesting the ability must be used on a critical hit, even if they didn't want to? That seems like a very strange way to run it. What if they don't have enough uses left to activate the ability and score a crit?
Mythic vital strike is pretty crazy.
Mythic vital strike is pretty crazy.
Meanwhile the casters are spamming their most powerful spells at +2 CL for 1 mythic point, without even needing to know or prepare the spell, without using a spell slot, and that isn't even including any path abilities or feats, that's just lvl 1 Archmage or Hierophant.
So yea, mythic vital strike is rocket tag as all hell, but Archmages are even worse.
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Mythic vital strike is pretty crazy.Meanwhile the casters are spamming their most powerful spells at +2 CL for 1 mythic point, without even needing to know or prepare the spell, without using a spell slot, and that isn't even including any path abilities or feats, that's just lvl 1 Archmage or Hierophant.
So yea, mythic vital strike is rocket tag as all hell, but Archmages are even worse.
Late game Mythic Time Stop is not something to be F___ed with.