Okay, so I'm a little confused.
I have a character concept, a half orc samurai or cavalier who rides a warg. (wonder where I got that idea from)
I know that at first level you have to have a horse and I know eventually you can get a new mount and that with certain feats and archtypes you can gain access to different kinds of mount creatures. However, I can't seem to find the combination that lets me ride a wolf-like creature that has a large size that my obvious Azog rip off can ride at a high level. Am I doomed to a plain old regular horse?
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Questions like this one should typically go in the Advice Forum, since this topic isn't specific to Pathfinder Society. With that being said, you probably want the Monstrous Mount feat with the Beast Rider archetype.
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Worgs have been around for a while.
Yes, they were in the Hobbit, but Azog certainly was not. Not until the movie.
Hell, the idea comes from Fenrir, and his sons, in Norse mythology.
Even as a mount, it's old, as the giantess Hyrrokkin rode a Worg.
Or... did Norse Mythology steal from the Hobbit Movies?
Worgs have been around for a while.
Yes, they were in the Hobbit, but Azog certainly was not. Not until the movie.
Hell, the idea comes from Fenrir, and his sons, in Norse mythology.
Even as a mount, it's old, as the giantess Hyrrokkin rode a Worg.
Or... did Norse Mythology steal from the Hobbit Movies?
*blink*
Dude, I know the mythological origins of giant wolves.
I liked the movies, I liked the books, I wanted a giant white orc riding a giant wolf.
Why did you even post this? Why the hate bro?
Whoops!
Misunderstood the context.
Yes, I like Azog too.
He seems more Hobgoblin though.
Yeah he definitely is all hobgoblin but, sigh, that ain't PFS Legal yet so...half orc it is. I've already picked out just the right shade of white paint for the Heroforge mini.
Questions like this one should typically go in the Advice Forum, since this topic isn't specific to Pathfinder Society. With that being said, you probably want the Monstrous Mount feat with the Beast Rider archetype.
Animal companions wander into pfs specific rules often enough that asking here is entirely reasonable.
Especially if he is asking for advice on making sure his build is PFS legal.
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Much like how there is no class feature for any class called "animal companion," despite it appearing in prerequisites for several feats, the Exotic Mount class feature should count as a Mount class feature.
I can understand your question, though, as unlike nearly all similar feats, Monstrous Mount seems to indicate specific class features. That's an interesting point.
Why take beast rider in the first place? You're still limited to a horse/camel until level 4, at which point you can take Monstrous Mount anyway.
Well thank you for the advice everyone, I will definitely be taking advantage of both the feat and the archtype
because the monstrous mount worg is medium, beast rider allows it to go large
The alternative here being Undersized Mount.
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Much like how there is no class feature for any class called "animal companion," despite it appearing in prerequisites for several feats, the Exotic Mount class feature should count as a Mount class feature.
I can understand your question, though, as unlike nearly all similar feats, Monstrous Mount seems to indicate specific class features. That's an interesting point.
I disagree with your first point and agree with your second. Monstrous Mount has obvious limitations in what it requires. And it can't qualify as "mount class feature" as it specifically says that it replaces the "cavalier's mount ability" and doesn't have any verbage that says it counts as such.
because the monstrous mount worg is medium, beast rider allows it to go largeThe alternative here being Undersized Mount.
Yeah...but
A.) Lets admit it- that always seemed kind of silly. I can get why someone might want that mechanically, but still...you are not riding a big, bad wolf...you are crunching the spine of a smaller wolf.B.) Thing thistledown said- plus, larger creatures just have higher carrying capacity. A straight x2 multiplier, on top of the x1.5 for having 4 legs. Even with good strength, medium creatures are just not well suited for carrying you and your equipment (unless you decide to make your character anorexic and put the minimum weight for your race...)
C.) Other mechanical advantage- the obvious advantage of having the worg get more strength as it increases in size. More attack, more damage, etc.
D.) Also, its bite goes from 1d8 to 2d6 (which means that multiattack ability granting an iterative makes it basically run around with a great sword for a face), and its trips are more powerful due to the larger size (and stat boost too, obviously).
Really, when you compare an unaltered worg to a large wolf companion, it is slightly weaker in a lot of stats and numbers, with its main advantages being it is medium (a mount for a small character; wolves' main advantages come from the growth to large, and if kept medium, they are 'meh'), the senses+intelligence+language, and the howl. With the beast rider archetype, the number difference is removed, and the worg is a straight upgrade- it is basically like spending options to give your regular wolf intelligence.
The only thing you really lose out going beast rider over normal cavalier is expert trainer anyway. Mostly a problem if you want to leave cavalier via that one feat that allows your mount to progress. It isn't like you are going to miss the bonuses to handle animal when you have an intelligent, talking mount.
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Expert trainer is largely useless (especially for PFS which is what this thread is talking about--assuming the OP meant to originally post it in the PFS forum). But if you're looking for a medium-sized ground mount (ground being you're not looking for something with a climb speed or fly speed). You're going to be hard pressed to find one that's better than a worg.