"Decemvirate"--Hard or Soft C?


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The title pretty much says it all. Do you pronounce Decemvirate with a hard or a soft C? I use a hard C, based on the root "deca-", but I'm the only one in my area who does. I'm curious to see what the community opinion is.

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Soft C like December (which has deca- as its root also, because December was the tenth month of the year).

Edit: decem is the latin word for ten.

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The Fox wrote:
Soft C like December (which has deca- as its root also, because December was the tenth month of the year).

This is also how I pronounce it.

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Here you go. :)


The Fox wrote:

Soft C like December (which has deca- as its root also, because December was the tenth month of the year).

Edit: decem is the latin word for ten.

For Church Latin and the Latin of modern law, you would be correct, and this seems to be what everybody does. For Latin of Ancient Rome, use a hard C like in decapod (I had 2 years of Latin in High School -- technically 3, but only the first 2 were any good).

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Soft C.

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UnArcaneElection wrote:
The Fox wrote:

Soft C like December (which has deca- as its root also, because December was the tenth month of the year).

Edit: decem is the latin word for ten.

For Church Latin and the Latin of modern law, you would be correct, and this seems to be what everybody does. For Latin of Ancient Rome, use a hard C like in decapod (I had 2 years of Latin in High School -- technically 3, but only the first 2 were any good).

I agree. If you were actually speaking Latin in Ancient Rome, you'd use a hard C. But it's a word that just has strong Latin roots but is actually part of the English language, so you use an English pronounciation.

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In English pronunciation C is softened before e, i or y.

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BTW, am I the only person to notice the similarities between the masks of the Decemvirate and the masks of the Servants of the Deep? As a friend pointed out to me a kraken has two arms and eight tentacles (2+8=10)...

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There's one guy in my area that pronounces it deck-em-vee-ruh-tay.

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TheFlyingPhoton wrote:
There's one guy in my area that pronounces it deck-em-vee-ruh-tay.

Y'know, I use the soft C myself, but I kinda like the sound of Decemvirate-rhymes-with-Illuminati

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That's how I've always assumed it's pronounced, also. But just to play devil's advocate, here are some words that also use that prefix that do have a hard 'c'.

Decahedron (and we all know what that is)
Dodecahedron (practically the same. I'm not certain if it technically has the same root or not though)
Decade
Decathlon

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

TheFlyingPhoton wrote:
There's one guy in my area that pronounces it deck-em-vee-ruh-tay.

Because he legitimately thinks it's pronounced like that or because he just likes the way it sounds?

Also, on a super-related note, why don't the newer campaign setting books have pronunciation keys in the back like the Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting did?

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claudekennilol wrote:
Also, on a super-related note, why don't the newer campaign setting books have pronunciation keys in the back like the Pathfinder Chronicles: Campaign Setting did?

This.

Or the Bestiary books.

Or anything, really.

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"means to end"

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TheFlyingPhoton wrote:
There's one guy in my area that pronounces it deck-em-vee-ruh-tay.

If he was going for the "I'm an old school Ars Magica player or otherwise remember Medieval Latin", he *JUST* missed.

dek-em-wee-ra-tay would be the old-Latin formation.

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"Drow"...

Now time to run away


The rule in English is that a c follow by a,o, or u is hard, and e or I is soft.

So, December, decimal, and decimate are all soft.

Decapod, decagon, and dodecahedron are all hard.

Different roots, but same rule, gives us decapitate and decipher.

That would argue for a soft c as in the month of December.

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Umm... why is this even a discussion? It's an English language word. Ask a dictionary, not the forums.

I just checked. Dictionary.com and Websters both agree that it's a soft "c".

Welcome to the information age.

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nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

Heh. We talked about precisely that word at my last home game.

Dee Sem Veer Et.

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nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."

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The Morphling wrote:
nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."

LOL You win!

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The Morphling wrote:
nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."

Why doesn't it rhyme with "now"?


Actually, it's an Old English word, so it rhymes with throatwarbler-mangrove. Rather like Marjoribanks, Colcolough, Fetherstonhaugh, or Cholomondeley in that regard.

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Drow rhymes with F'tanghn.

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Not strictly Pathfinder or Decemvirate-related, but since you're already derailing, Wizards put out a pronunciation guide some time ago in their FAQ. PF has inherited a number of crazy spellings from D&D so maybe it will help the next time you're curious.

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claudekennilol wrote:
The Morphling wrote:
nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."
Why doesn't it rhyme with "now"?

Oh now I see what you did there..

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The Morphling wrote:
nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."

Good job on that one. Put down the longbow and take a bow.

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in Italian, decemvirate would be pronounced with a 'ch' sound as in the word church. Also, every letter would be pronounced, day-chaym-vee-rah-tay. I have no idea how this would relate to the latin.

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Fromper wrote:
Umm... why is this even a discussion? It's an English language word. Ask a dictionary, not the forums.

I was curious to see if there were any common variations, and, if so, if they were individual or regional. Notice that I asked "do you pronounce..." not "how is this pronounced".

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Welcome to the information age.

And here I thought we were in the Age of Lost Omens...

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PolydactylPolymath wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Welcome to the information age.
And here I thought we were in the Age of Lost Omens...

One of Paizo's biggest secrets is that the era after the Age of Lost Omens is the Age of Oh Ha Ha, The Omens Were In My Pocket The Whole Time.

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claudekennilol wrote:
The Morphling wrote:
nosig wrote:

"Drow"...

Now time to run away

"Drow" is easy, it rhymes with "bow."
Why doesn't it rhyme with "now"?

Because it says so in the beginning of Second Darkness...

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John Compton wrote:
PolydactylPolymath wrote:
Fromper wrote:
Welcome to the information age.
And here I thought we were in the Age of Lost Omens...
One of Paizo's biggest secrets is that the era after the Age of Lost Omens is the Age of Oh Ha Ha, The Omens Were In My Pocket The Whole Time.

Pass, the Archchancellor's Keys!

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Fromper wrote:
Umm... why is this even a discussion? It's an English language word. Ask a dictionary, not the forums.

Good idea. ;)

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It's based on the prefix "dec-" as in, 10.


I keep having this vision of the Drow actually having sundered into two factions, locked in mortal combat about how their race's name should be pronounced, and each insisting that those of the other faction are "a bunch of quitters".

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UnArcaneElection wrote:

I keep having this vision of the Drow actually having sundered into two factions, locked in mortal combat about how their race's name should be pronounced, and each insisting that those of the other faction are "a bunch of quitters".

Drow Now vs Low Drow?

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Hard c, but I speak Dutch in my games.

So, dae-kem-vir-AHT.

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