Can a Wizard wish himself to a true dragon?


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icehawk333 wrote:

There is another way, and it's a neat little abuse of three spells.

Flesh to stone, stone shape, and stone to flesh.

Flesh to stone someone, have somone stone shape this person into a dragon (i would require a massive heal check to get the anatomy right), then turn them back with stone to flesh-

The new form has all "deformities" of the shaped stone, making you, physically at lest, into a dragon. No SU abilities, but a claw-claw-bite, and the ability to play something different.

That's not an abuse. That's a horrible way to die.

You wouldn't come back as a dragon. You'd come back as dead, chopped meat sculpted into the vague shape of a dragon. It would be a most grisly end to be sure. It would likely end as horrifically as when the Elric brothers attempted to revive their mother from death through alchemy.


I'd just make the guy a half-dragon, and say that was the extent of the power of Wish.

From the half dragon entry:

"Half-dragons are only rarely the result of dragons mating with other creatures—most are the result of strange magical experiments."

“Half-dragon is an inherited or acquired template that can be added to any living, corporeal creature"

bolding mine.


A true dragon?

I'd have them make a Will Save. DC equal to the Wish DC. If they make their save, they become a Wyrmling with the normal physical ability scores, natural weapons, movement speeds, natural armor, and other abilities specific to their type. Note, they would not get the standard Dragon spellcasting. Their class and HD are not touched, and they keep their minds. They are just a 1 year old Wyrmling now.

If on the otherhand, they fail the will save, they lose all their memories, classes etc, and become a full on 1 year old Wyrmling. Time to reroll (and laugh if the resulting Wyrmling attacks the other party members and gets slaughtered).

Note, if they don't specify a type of True Dragon, I'd determine it randomly.


I think the more fun solution to this puzzle is this: Grant the wish. Give them a permanent Form of the Dragon with a couple other perks. Then, if you'll remember the wish warping effects from Legacy of Fire, I would affect the caster with a permanent spell blight effect... something of that nature.

Grant any wish they want, but if it falls outside of the written scope of the spell, it causes wish warping.

The Exchange

"You are now an egg! Please stay tuned for further developments. If any."


Meh...I think there should be a line drawn between a Wish cast by a wizard and a Wish cast by a phenomenal cosmic power. What your player is asking crosses into the territory of a god. Maybe you should require the spell to have a caster level way above 20 to something like 40. Or print out a character sheet of what his draconic form would be and homebrew a supernatural ability that lets him take that form once a day for a number rounds equal to 1/4th his caster level (call it a brief resurgence of the past into the present).

Silver Crusade Contributor

The GameMastery Guide actually does have a "hierarchy of wishes" that sets up their comparative power level based on the source.

If I recall correctly, the wish spell is at the bottom.


I would determine what size and age would be comparable to the setting and other players. I would then evaluate the power balance and set that option as the most favorable. I would then scale down that option to less desirable options. I would continue scaling down to the point were the player screwed himself with the wish. Something like, you become an egg with no memory. Then I would create a chart and have the player roll randomly for how well his wish played out. Remember to take into account how he words the wish when scaling down the options.


Does the wish maker have the trait Thoughtful Wish-Maker? If so, then you shouldn't feel the need to mess with his wish if he makes the rolls. That said, I do like the suggestion of requiring multiple wishes to slowly take on all aspects of the dragon. Never understood the compulsion some people tend to have to mess with a player's wish. I mean, if it's not a reasonable wish, then knock the wish down to a power level you deem reasonable as a DM. That way, you maintain the necessary balance,and the player gets to at least enjoy something instead of wasting 25,000gp to get shafted over completely.

Shadow Lodge

The player should be made aware that this kind of wish, if things go poorly, could mean the end of this character.

This isn't a form-of-the-dragon deal if they're asking to be a "true dragon", it sounds like they know they know what they're getting themselves into. It doesn't sound like they intend on restricting the power level of the spell so that the wish doesn't go out of control.

Liberty's Edge

If you want to go with it, I suggest actually as others have Dragon Form III but permanent with no dispel effect. Why because he wished he was a silver dragon.

A GM will then get to change the world history to reflect his PARENTS where dragons, his family where dragons, and that dark evil warlord he didn't know he was related too? Well he's a dragon too. :3 see changing ones race doesn't affect just the PC in question, a wish moves the universe around to make it happen and/or work. Taking the path of least resistance.

Not to mention most people don't have Knowledge on specific Dragons, Peasants and such generally just know Dragons are Dangerous monsters that feed on people and/or live stock, not to mention the Occasional stealing of Princesses and the local world will treat him and his family as such.

Not to mention the memory alterations of his fellow PC's, (the wisher is normally immune to this part because it's far more fun that way) but they'll remember ALWAYS being around the dragon and depending on past actions of said character might have VERY different memories of what transpired than what the PC remembers.

(Wizards Memory: It was a candle lit night, dancing, drinking and beautiful woman that I tried to romance with laughter and witty banter, shame it didn't work out.
To... VICTIMS Memory: It was a candle lit cave with her trying to deal with a strangely amorous dragon that had taken her to his cave to try and woo her and barely escaping with veiled apologizes and was just happy it let her go instead of eating her.)

See Wishes can give you what you want and give you the GM a whole new world of fun and excitement to throw at the party as well :D

Hope the rest of the wizards family isn't from Cheliax ^^

But then again by the same token, His home village will likely be very tolerant of Dragons.

If his parents where Farmers, there are now two dragons that have helped that village with farming, Run away cattle/Children/ and other assorted issues.

Heck the community likely protects there friends they've known "As long as they known them.

"I don't care if you where sent by the king, That's my friends wife yer pointing your sword at and she saved my wife/Husband/Children/Etc"

Can be many shades of interesting :3


I think I'd make it a process involving multiple wishes. At best, the first wish would just give you the half dragon template. The second wish may let you finish the transformation into a very young dragon.


in this particular case the point is moot, since he is using a Feathered Serpent card he literally got the highest power wish out there, so he gets what he wished for (no twisting)

Liberty's Edge

Hazrond wrote:
in this particular case the point is moot, since he is using a Feathered Serpent card he literally got the highest power wish out there, so he gets what he wished for (no twisting)

There is no twisting with what I said, he is a Silver Dragon.

As for wishes being twisted, all wishes can become twisted if one doesn't know the full scope of the wish they are making.

Now if he's to become a silver dragon, that would be different than wishing to BE a silver dragon.

The twist of wishes comes from the words used in the wish that have the cause and if the wish the effect.

I had a friend with the deck of many things and had three such wishes in a city guard game.

1st wish was while paroling that it was boring and wished there was a tavern open this late.

*poof*
notices one of the tavern's open much later than the others in town.

Walking in the new tavern he'd come across to his good fortune and nice barmaids that where very easy on the eyes, he took a seat and noticed he didn't have much gold and muttered to himself that he wished he could get a free drink.

*poof*
The bartender walks to him with a tankard of ale stating "A free Ale for the Night watch, keep up the great work!"
Accepting the free drink and looking around at the place and how few customers where coming in the Nightwatch PC smiled but felt sad that the place didn't seem to have much business and then stated.

"Man, I wished this place was more popular, too nice a place to close due to bad hours of operation."

*poof*
Suddenly a surge of people started pouring into the tavern and within a week was the most popular tavern in the whole city.

and all because the Nightwatch PC, had unwittingly had a drawing at the deck of many things.

:-) lots of fun

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