Hi, I have been toying with an idea about a staff-using rogue (the unchained version) in the vein of the old thief-acrobat and maybe with a bit of Gambit as an inspiration. The new unchained rogue has a very nifty ability that lets him or her use dexterity for attack and damage with a finessable weapon, is there a way to make this work with a quarterstaff and if no, what would you suggest for such a character?
Elven Branched Spear is finessable. I admit, this isn't going to make you very Gambit-y, but it's the closest I can find.
If this is not for PFS, ask your GM if he can house rule a quarterstaff to count as two light weapons instead of a one handed and light when double wielded.
If this is not for PFS, ask your GM if he can house rule a quarterstaff to count as two light weapons instead of a one handed and light when double wielded.
Otherwise, see if you can fluff two light maces as such. Those are light weapons at d6 bludgeoning. Because of that, I can't really see what you're asking for as being any sort of powergamey issue.
Staff magus is an archetype I've always wanted to try out.
Couldn't you theoretically buy a quarterstaff sized for a small creature to make it light?
Alternatively, ask your GM if they would allow making one out of darkwood or a similarly light material to count as light.
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You could always try to make a magic item that is treated as both a quarterstaff and a chihuahua. Just remember to hold the chihuahua by its hind legs and never stop swinging—is desperately wants to get away.
You could get the weapon versatility feat, then argue that since you can treat one end of a quarterstaff used as a double weapon as a one handed piercing weapon that you can apply effortless lace to that end.
You'd be feat starved as can be doing that and TWF with a rogue, though.
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This is easy. Get a Hanbo.
Hanbo
Statistics
Cost 1 gp Weight 2 lbs.
Damage 1d4 (small), 1d6 (medium); Critical x2; Range —; Type B; Special monk, trip
Description
The hanbo is a staff less than a yard long, often carved to look like a walking stick.
There you go. Simple, Light weapon.
I know there are ok light weapons for it, I was just hoping to use a staff for the visuals. Granted, it does have the bonus that you can use it two-handed if preferable...
Alright, thanks. Looks like homebrew territory if I wanted to go with the original idea.
Kind of. Hanbo is less than 3', quarterstaff/bo is typically 6' to 7' depending on source material.
I posted my idea here.
It was said, however, that making a quarterstaff deal piercing damage DOES NOT NECESSARILY make it a "piercing weapon", so it might not qualify for Swashbuckler's Finesse.
Just using Slashing Grace, however, will only allow dex to damage, not dex to hit since it still won't qualify for Weapon Finesse. You also can't use it two-handed this way (although, to be fair, you can't use it two-handed my way either).
As far as the suggestion of using one that is built for a small character, that would change it from Two-handed to One-handed. You would need a tiny quarterstaff for it to go to light, which would be -4 to hit and definitely not a double weapon.
That said, from what I gather, it could all be different based on the GM running things.
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Combining these two archetypes pretty much creates gambit.
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Unfortunately, there just isn't a way to finesse a quarterstaff and have it still be a quarterstaff without house rules. Even if you combine Quarterstaff master, Weapon Versatility, and Swashbuckler, you will get table variation on if doing piercing damage makes it a piercing weapon. (Although this blog post strongly suggests it does.)
Hanbo is probably the best option if you are limited to RAW.
Combining these two archetypes pretty much creates gambit.
But losing the ability to use your Arcane Pool to enhance your staves really hurts.
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Combining these two archetypes pretty much creates gambit.
I like it! And from what I can tell, it's a completely legal combination. I may have to do that. Though the staff bit would just be for show (and a few minor benefits), since you couldn't use a staff for spellstrike anymore.
Combining these two archetypes pretty much creates gambit.I like it! And from what I can tell, it's a completely legal combination. I may have to do that. Though the staff bit would just be for show (and a few minor benefits), since you couldn't use a staff for spellstrike anymore.
The staff is there to make AOOs, and to not waste resources on weakened enemies who aren't worth the spell slot.
Combining these two archetypes pretty much creates gambit.But losing the ability to use your Arcane Pool to enhance your staves really hurts.
Not really once you start getting magical staves your class ability automatically treats them as stronger. There are many powerful staves that are worth using simply for other benefits, Staff of Travel is a pretty good one, and results in a +2 weapon.