Quarterstaff + Weapon Finesse idea... is this legit?


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Human Swashbuckler 1/Staff Magus 1
Feats:
1 Weapon Focus (Quarterstaff)
1 Weapon Versatility (human bonus)
1 Swashbuckler Finesse (swashbuckler bonus)
2 Quarterstaff Master (magus bonus)

Quarterstaff Master allows you to use your quarterstaff one-handed.
Weapon Versatility allows you to use your quarterstaff as a piercing weapon (as a swift action until bab +5, then free)
Swashbuckler Finesse allows you to use Weapon Finesse with any "light or one-handed piercing weapon"

(I'm debating whether it would be worth adding slashing grace to this so I could get dex to damage when using it as a "one-handed slashing weapon", but I digress)

So... legit?

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Sounds good to me. Looks like an interesting build there. Toss in some potions of Shillelagh for more shenanigans :)


I'm not entirely sure you'll find a legitimate Rules Questions answer for this. Whether or not Weapon Versatility actually changes the weapon quality is currently unclear.

I asked Mark Seifter about something similar earlier, his reply* can be found here.

Short answer? Your mileage may vary.

*:
Standard disclaimer that Mark's post is not intended to be rules-binding but merely his personal opinion based on how he'd rule at his own table.

Scarab Sages

I'd allow it, but expect table variation. Just because you have feat that allows you to wield a weapon as a one-handed piercing weapon, doesn't mean it is a one-handed piercing weapon.

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Imbicatus wrote:
I'd allow it, but expect table variation. Just because you have feat that allows you to wield a weapon as a one-handed piercing weapon, doesn't mean it is a one-handed piercing weapon.

I agree, you can always find somebody that wants to shut something interesting down for pedantic reasons. For this amount of investment, why not allow it?


I was also considering adding in Hamatula Strike at some point, but mainly because of the image of impaling people on a quarterstaff...

about Mark's post:
Interesting. I assumed that since it wasn't an enchantment on the weapon to change it, it was the character's fighting style, it would work. I think I'll still throw it together. Now I'm debating whether a wood oracle dip would be worth it as well.

Thanks!


Imbicatus wrote:
I'd allow it, but expect table variation. Just because you have feat that allows you to wield a weapon as a one-handed piercing weapon, doesn't mean it is a one-handed piercing weapon.

If it said you could wield it 'as a piercing weapon' it would be totally legit, but as it is it just artificially changes damage-type. It's like the difference between an effect that changes a spell from Spell(Fire) to Spell(Cold) vs. something that just changes the damage to cold. Hooray for legalism!

Anyhow it's a classic example of where GM judgement is a good thing.

Speaking of GM judgement, the rules text for Hamatula strike is a mess...

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