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So, for the occultist, I noticed that the feat 'extra mental focus' doesn't have that special line that says you can take it multiple times and its effects stack. Is this right? I mean, every other 'extra' feat that adds to a point pool (arcane pool, arcane resovoir, grit, ki, etc.) allows you to take the feat multiple times. Moreover, the occultist seems to need more points than they get to get the most out of their resonant powers.
For example, a 20th level occultist with this feat and, let's say 24 int (through level ups and a headband) has 29 mental focus. To fully power up his evocation implement needs 22 mental focus. That leaves a piddly 7 points left for his SIX other impliments.
Listen, I'm no fool, I realize that the point of the occultist is that you have to pick and choose your impliments and you can't have all of them on at full power. I get that, but the way it's set up, at the upper levels you can't have ANY at full power unless you have the others unpowered.
The problem is that your need for mental focus outstrips your pool, which is fine, except that is the opposite design philosophy from every other class on the game. As a magus gains levels for example, they gain more arcane points. They may once in a while get a new arcana to spend them on, but usually not, the just get new abilities like being able to quick in one spell a day. Their Arcane pool grows as their ability to spend points grows. In other words, he's getting more powerful and more versitile.
An occultist needs to feed mental focus into his new impliments AND keep up with the new demands of his already existing impliments. There just isn't enough mental focus to do that with the occultist, so you end up either feeding the new ones, or ignoring the new ones and feeding the increasing abilities of the old ones. You become more powerful OR more versitile.
Your last sentence pretty much summed it up. Choices, choose well.
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To make things messier, level 7 pregen occultist has selected Extra Mental Focus twice. Either the feat is missing the special clause about taking it multiple times, or the pregen breaks the rules.
I don't really mind how this ends. If EMF can be selected more than once, I get more focus to play with. If EMF can only be selected one, I can pick more interesting feats knowing that I have already done all I can for my mental focus.
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To address everyone's critiques:
Tharmoines: Notice how I said 'Adds points to a pool.' I did that specifically. I know extra channel energy is only a one-off thing. I was talking about the points to a pool game mechanic. Specifically panache, grit, ki, arcane points, arcane resovoir, and inspiration.
Skylancer: Yes, I said I realize that you can't have all of your impliments on all of the time. I was trying to say that a choose like "as you level up, you get more powerful or more versitile' flies in the face of the core design philosophy of pathfinder. Most classes, as they level up get more powerful AND more versitile.
LasarX: yes, I know that. I pointed it out in my initial paragraph. That is why I was wondering if it was accidentally left out, or intentionally left out.
Cwheezy: To get a 36, you would need to start with a 20 in int, put 4 of your 5 level up bonuses into int (24), have a +8 int headband (32) and have gotten a +4 tome or used four wishes. Investing all your resources into int is certainly possible, but the occultist seems much more MAD than that, especially if you are going into a melee occultist build or something. An occultist is not a wizard, Int is not their only concern.
Naal: Thank you, I hadn't noticed that, though there are a few errors in all the occultist pregens, so that arguement doesn't carry a whole lot of weight, I admit.
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There may be some erratta allowing the multiple picks of the feat. Just about every other simmilar extra feat allows it.To make things messier, level 7 pregen occultist has selected Extra Mental Focus twice. Either the feat is missing the special clause about taking it multiple times, or the pregen breaks the rules.
(Headesk). I. . . You. . . That was the entire point of my post. It is not in the FAQ and I was wondering if that was intentional.
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(Headesk). I. . . You. . . That was the entire point of my post. It is not in the FAQ and I was wondering if that was intentional.There may be some erratta allowing the multiple picks of the feat. Just about every other simmilar extra feat allows it.To make things messier, level 7 pregen occultist has selected Extra Mental Focus twice. Either the feat is missing the special clause about taking it multiple times, or the pregen breaks the rules.
I wonder if they intentionally left of the language allowing it to be used more than once. Maybe we should make a FAQ request thread for this.
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That's a great idea, I'll PM LazarX to set one up. :)
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That's a great idea, I'll PM LazarX to set one up. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYQdogPMuRc
EDIT: A CALM AND REASONED RESPONSE
(Thanks to Ninja-Assassin for fixing it for me :P)
That's a great idea, I'll PM LazarX to set one up. :)A CALM AND REASONED RESPONSE
I fixed that for you.
I mean it's like you can't accept totally valid criticism. Sheesh.
EDIT: I mean, I agree - there should totally be a FAQ for this issue. It'd be great if we could do that.
EDIT 2: It seems like a PM might be the best way.
EDIT 3: It's not like anyone else is doing it.
EDIT 4: I think you can all tell that I'm totally serious right now.
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I just discovered this and am curious about it also. Flagged for FAQ!
You flag for FAQ by clicking on the FAQ word to the top right of someone's post.
As of now you can NOT take it twice legally.
The FAQ would be asking for an errata to change it.
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Looks pretty final to me.