Durable arrow's

[Dubgall]

When at gen con over the weekend someone said that you had to buy durable arrow's in lots of 50. in my alchemist manual it said lots of 1. I looked in the Additional resources section and there was nothing about a minimum quantity. Can I buy just 10 durable arrows?

[BartonOliver]

It's my understanding that yes indeed you can buy them in lots smaller than 50.

Enchanted arrows require lots of 50, otherwise the specified lot size takes precedence.

[blackbloodtroll]

A lot of 1, is what I was told.

I believe it's the same with all the Alchemical Arrows, from Elves of Golarion, and the Alchemy Manual.

I don't think one must buy 50 Slow Burn Arrows, when they are a 100gp a piece.

[blackbloodtroll]

I would hate to be wrong.

Is there support either way?

[BartonOliver]

There shouldn't need to be documentation, a lot size (i.e. purchase quantity) is literally written into the book. The exception of note is enchanted arrows which have to be bought in lots of 50 (i.e. the full price of the enchantment as if it had been put on a masterwork bow + cost of arrows) Hence the existence of the custom order boon.

[blackbloodtroll]

Ah.

So, when I was under the impression that I could buy one Adamantine Durable Arrow, for 61gp, I was correct?

[Andrew Christian]

Yes. That is correct.

[blackbloodtroll]

Would a Large Adamantine Durable Arrow cost 62gp, or 122gp?

[Andrew Christian]

122

[blackbloodtroll]

Well, that makes for a neat Adamantine Weapon for my Breaker Barbarian.

[Serisan]

The "50 minimum" thing comes from Hero Lab and not the books. It's one of the many areas of concern that require players to do silly things in that program to play legally and, in this case, it's certainly in the player's favor to do so.

[blackbloodtroll]

You can alter that in Hero Lab with little effort.

[Serisan]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

You can alter that in Hero Lab with little effort.

But I'm lazy, bbt. So lazy.

[blackbloodtroll]

Just use the custom cost, and pay the amount for one, and sell all but one, for %0.

You can't be that lazy.

[Serisan]

Sooooooooooooooooooooo laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy...

Nah, I can handle that. I'm still trying to figure out the program overall, so thanks for the tip.

[Unklbuck]

Durable arrows with the Conserving enchantment on your bow means you never run out of arrows a slong as you take the time to pluck the aroows from the bodies of the slain

[Dubgall]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Just use the custom cost, and pay the amount for one, and sell all but one, for %0.

You can't be that lazy.

I was selling them off to get to the that i desired number. I was just checking to make sure I was doing it right

[Gwen Smith]

The minimum quantity for special materials ammunition is "the same quantity you normally buy that ammunition in". In this case, durable arrows are sold in lots of 1, so you can buy special material durable arrows one at a time.

The minimum quantity for magical ammunition is 50 (assuming they didn't change this in the new Guide to Organized Play), since that's the amount that the pricing is based on.

Some people (myself included), have accidentally misapplied the "50-count minimum" to special materials ammunition instead of just magical ammunition. (If I've told you that in the past, I apologize: I only recently discovered I was mistaken.)

A completely separate "issue":
Because Hero Lab uses the same user interface (the "custom weapon" dialog) for both special materials and magical ammunition, it defaults to minimum 50 on any custom ammunition. You just create the ammunition in a batch of 50, then sell back as many as you don't want at full price. (It's the same trick you use when you buy 3 seeking arrows off of a chronicle sheet.)

[BigNorseWolf]

I thought special material arrows had to be bought in lots of 20, and the durable arrow (which comes in lots of 1) was a legal way around that for the 10 or so real adamantium arrows you'll need (vs the blanche)

[Totenpfuhl]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Just use the custom cost, and pay the amount for one, and sell all but one, for %0.

You can't be that lazy.

Or just buy the lot of 50 with the custom cost and then split the stack and get rid of the stack you don't want. That way it doesn't say you had 50 arrows, just whatever you bought.

[Nefreet]

Andrew Christian wrote:

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Would a Large Adamantine Durable Arrow cost 62gp, or 122gp?

122

I believe the answer is actually 62gp.

(1×2)+60=62

Multiplication before modifiers.

But, if you'd like to join 95 other curious individuals, you can click HERE and maybe we'll find out =)

[Quadstriker]

It almost seems like we need an "Everything about Arrows in PFS" thread.

[Andrew Christian]

I disagree Nefreet. I'm pretty sure for weapons and armor, you need to pay double for the special material, if for some reason you need to pay double for the item.

[Nefreet]

Did you click the FAQ?

[Andrew Christian]

Yes

[blackbloodtroll]

I did.

With Iconics like Amiri, knowing how to price Large Weapons(and other things) made of Special Materials, should be known.

It is a reasonable FAQ candidate.

Think about it.

How much is a Large Adamantine Bastard Sword?

[Nefreet]

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Think about it.

How much is a Large Adamantine Bastard Sword?

I like to use the analogy of a 3000gp Adamantine Short Sword vs a 6000gp Adamantine Dagger that's size large.

But these comparisons should be taken over to that thread.

[NewtonPulsifer]

I've read if one actually reads the book with durable arrows in it (Elves of Golarion) those arrows are listed as the crafting cost; I don't know for sure as I don't own it.

So not only are they not sold separately (and you need to buy a regular sized lot of durable arrows, regardless of special material), you also need to triple the base arrow cost.

[Sebastian Hirsch]

NewtonPulsifer wrote:

I've read if one actually reads the book with durable arrows in it (Elves of Golarion) those arrows are listed as the crafting cost; I don't know for sure as I don't own it.

So not only are they not sold separately (and you need to buy a regular sized lot of durable arrows, regardless of special material), you also need to triple the base arrow cost.

Alchemy Manual is the most recently published source for those arrows, I would suggest using that source for your pricing calculation, especially since it allows something like tangleshot shuriken..

[Nefreet]

I can confirm, as owning each source, that the retail price of a Durable Arrow is indeed 1gp, and that they are sold individually.

[Kyrie Ebonblade,]

Tanglefoot .. shuriken? Awesome..

[Jeff Merola]

Thomas Graham wrote:

Tanglefoot .. shuriken? Awesome..

Any piercing ammo works.

[Nefreet]

Just aim for the ankles with every throw.