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It's still canon the only question is whether Chewbacca considers it void since there's no Han to repay it to.. or transfers it to someone else, such as one of Solo's children.
Wookies do not leave wounded prey.
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Lastly. I feel really bad for Chewbacca. Got me a bit teary thinking about it.Yeah, it struck me as odd that he didn't really have any sort of reaction post the event itself. Does he blame Leia in part, for what happened? Does he consider his life debt to Han over and will he go home to Kashhyk now? If he was a real character, and not a walking carpet that yowls occasionally, these sorts of things might be explored.
Instead he's just going to follow Rey around, for no reason, apparently.
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What kind of reaction do you expect from a wookie except blowing half the imperial guard AND most of kylo ren apart ?
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Lastly. I feel really bad for Chewbacca. Got me a bit teary thinking about it.Yeah, it struck me as odd that he didn't really have any sort of reaction post the event itself. Does he blame Leia in part, for what happened? Does he consider his life debt to Han over and will he go home to Kashhyk now? If he was a real character, and not a walking carpet that yowls occasionally, these sorts of things might be explored.
Instead he's just going to follow Rey around, for no reason, apparently.
They did show him mourning right before R2 wakes up.
Hmmm, speaking of which, he'd been shut down for years and only wakes when Rey is nearby....
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I personally think Snoak is only 3 inches tall, but projects himself real big to compensate.
I do that too, just not with my height.
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I'm still not OK with the bridge scene.
I think I'm stil somewhere around Bargaining since we didn't see a body, did we?
The Star Wars Rule of Things and People Falling Out of Sight states that if something drops into a seemingly bottomless abyss, we will probably see it again unless the entire celestial body explodes soon thereafter.
Luke's lightsaber? Literally fell into a gas giant, but turned up eventually because Bespin never exploded.
Boba Fett? Swallowed by the sarlacc, but Tatooine's fine so he'll probably live through it.
Palpatine? Fell into a shaft that even a padawan could have jedi'd his way out of, if only the Death Star II hadn't blown up a few minutes later.
So unfortunately, it looks like we won't be seeing Han again in the flesh.
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Yeah, I am confused why anyone thinks Han I coming back, given the planet exploded shortly after he plummeted of the bridge. what there was some unknown resistance agent on the scene but unseen that went down the pit at the same time the place is exploding..followed soon after by the entire planet exploding.
Sigh, give it up ..
And no, Admiral Piet did not have time to get off the Executors bridge before the a-wing took out the place.
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If Darth Maul can survive being bisected Han can survive a piddling explosion.
It's called Bargaining, people!
Not to be a know-it-all, but this seems more like Denial...
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Yeah, I am confused why anyone thinks Han I coming back, given the planet exploded shortly after he plummeted of the bridge. what there was some unknown resistance agent on the scene but unseen that went down the pit at the same time the place is exploding..followed soon after by the entire planet exploding.
Sigh, give it up ..
Well Phasma evidently survived and that was after being tossed into a trash compactor on said planet, so who knows.
But I seriously doubt they are going to pay Harrison Ford 50 times anybody else again, so Han isn't going to come back.
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Harrison Ford didn't want to come back for 'Jedi. He WANTED to be killed off for this movie. This series is better off without the old characters. At the very least Disney won't have to pay them.
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Interestingly enough, Chewie's is the only person still around who knew, well, pretty much everyone involved in this.Do R2-D2 and C3-PO count as persons?
They didn't really know Fin or Rey (although R2 and Rey is arguable by the end of the film).
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It's called Bargaining, people!
I do that every time I leave my cell in a New York taxi.
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Interestingly enough, Chewie's is the only person still around who knew, well, pretty much everyone involved in this.Do R2-D2 and C3-PO count as persons?Yes, but Bail wiped their memories after Episode III so the droids in Rebels, Ep IV, V, VI, and VII and not, efectively, the same droids as in I, II, Clone Wars, and III.
EDIT: However, as I think about it I'm not sure Chewie met Padme, Anikin, and Obi-Wan after his adventures with Ashoka. I haven't seen that arc of CW. He did know and save Yoda, however. It seems likely that he met Anakin and Padme after returning to the Temple with Ashoka and that he met Obi-Wan during the same campaign that he served with General Yoda.
On the gripping hand, he clearly didn't know how Ben Kenobi was... Or st least didn't let on.
It's been a while, but I thought he only had C3-PO's memory wiped, not R2-D2's?
According to this clip, only Goldenrod gets it. Or at least, he is the only one ordered to be mindwiped on screen.
R2-D2 should still know everything.
I agree. Of the two, R2 has been consistently shown to be both mentally tougher than 3P0 and able to play things close to the vest*. R2 is not a security risk. 3P0, on the other hand... leaving aside the morality of nonconsensual memory wipes for the moment, 3P0's actions in the OT would have been VERY different were it not for the wipe. 3P0 might, and I stress might have been able to keep the truth about Leia bottled up if R2 were riding herd, but there's no way Luke wouldn't have known about his father once 3P0 connected the dots**.
*-And now I want to read a story where R2 and Obi-Wan recognize each other. Also, wouldn't Owen and Beru have recognized 3P0 in short order?
**-And now I want to read an AU where 3P0 wasn't wiped. Someone has to have written it.
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As to no one who should have known/remembered things doing so: a possibility.
Look at the ending of 'Revenge' again. does Obi-wan make a Jedi Mind Trick gesture there? Did he (for Luke's safety) wipe info on Anakin and the droids from Owen & Beru?
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So after perusing discussions on a couple different sites and watching a few reviews/discussions on YouTube, something's come up more than once that I just don't get.
I keep seeing people compare Rey's Force-grab of the lightsaber out of the snow to Luke's similar action in ESB (in the Ice Wampa cave). They keep marveling at her "doing what took Luke three years to be able to do", and either using it as evidence that she's a Mary Sue or concluding she must be some kind of legendary Force prodigy.
Really?
Luke had just suffered a significant head trauma, lost some blood, just woke up from being unconscious for who knows how long, was hanging upside down, and was in life-threateningly cold temperatures. Additionally, from what I remember of watching the scene in ESB, it seemed like the lightsaber was embedded in ice and he had to rip it free.
By contrast, as best I recall Rey was completely uninjured. The environment was far less extreme, and the lightsaber was just lying there unrestrained.
How are these two events even remotely comparable?
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I think with Chewie walking by Leia at the end and them not having a moment after Han's death, it's 2 reasons:
1. Finn was injured and He wanted to make sure He was OK
and/ or
2. Chewie blames Himself for what happened with Han. It was Chewies idea to split up, so Chewie wasn't with Han to help him and he feels He could have prevented it. So He didn't want to face Leia.
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I got the feeling, it wasn't the first time Luke had tried to lift something. It might have been the first time he had been successful. Of course there was no on screen evidence either way.
I wouldn't say Rey was completely uninjured. She had just been tossed into a tree, knocked unconscious and fallen from a height.
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The movie has been out 15 days people. It's hard to fake working and open all those tabs.
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The other difference is that Rey had basically just realized she had Force abilities and had absolutely no training or time to practice. Luke had gotten at least some basic training from Ben and had by the time of ESB at least some time to practice on his own.
I think it's pretty likely we will find out in the next movie she DID have some training. The prevailing theory is that Rey was at Luke's Jedi academy as a young child receiving training. She was there when Ben / Ren betrayed Luke and killed most or all of the students. The thought is that someone (Luke?) Force blocked her memories and dropped her off on Jakku.
If true, that would explain the images she saw when she first touched Luke's lightsabre, as her memories began to come back in jumbled and confusing bits. It also explains what Kylo Ren said to her when he was probing her mind - that she sees the island in the ocean ...
Combine her naturally strong natural Force sensitivity with the early training that seems to be slowly coming back to her due to recent events, and it makes sense that by the end of the movie she's able to do some cool Jedi-like things
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The other difference is that Rey had basically just realized she had Force abilities and had absolutely no training or time to practice. Luke had gotten at least some basic training from Ben and had by the time of ESB at least some time to practice on his own.I think it's pretty likely we will find out in the next movie she DID have some training. The prevailing theory is that Rey was at Luke's Jedi academy as a young child receiving training. She was there when Ben / Ren betrayed Luke and killed most or all of the students. The thought is that someone (Luke?) Force blocked her memories and dropped her off on Jakku.
If true, that would explain the images she saw when she first touched Luke's lightsabre, as her memories began to come back in jumbled and confusing bits. It also explains what Kylo Ren said to her when he was probing her mind - that she sees the island in the ocean ...
Combine her naturally strong natural Force sensitivity with the early training that seems to be slowly coming back to her due to recent events, and it makes sense that by the end of the movie she's able to do some cool Jedi-like things
This is my thought. Would explain Kylo's reaction to the comment about a girl helping them escape.
I don't know how old Rey is in the movie, but guessing 18-20? I thought I also heard mention that Kylo attacked the jedi training camp 10 years ago? So that would put Rey at 8-10 years old, which fits with her age in the brief flashback I think.
IF Rey had training in the force as a small child, pretty much all the problems with Rey's hypercompetence go away, especially since we have been told in the other movies that it's easier to train a kid than an adult in the use of the Force.
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Can I just say how f-ed up it would be if Luke purposefully left a small child, even a force gifted one, alone on a planet by herself. Luke, more than any Jedi before him, should know the value of being raised by a family. Dumping a kid off would be something I could see Obi-Wan or Yoda. Luke? Geez I hope not.
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I think with Chewie walking by Leia at the end and them not having a moment after Han's death, it's 2 reasons:
2. Chewie blames Himself for what happened with Han. It was Chewies idea to split up, so Chewie wasn't with Han to help him and he feels He could have prevented it. So He didn't want to face Leia.
Put that on Wookieepedia asap please.
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As to no one who should have known/remembered things doing so: a possibility.
Look at the ending of 'Revenge' again. does Obi-wan make a Jedi Mind Trick gesture there? Did he (for Luke's safety) wipe info on Anakin and the droids from Owen & Beru?
"Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him."
"That's what I'm afraid of."
Of course, this is also the movie where Obi Wan claims he's never owned an R2 unit, whereas the relationship depicted in the prequel trilogy seems to warrant, "Well, it actually came with Padme's ship, so I wouldn't say it was my property exactly, but, sure, that's R2-D2."
So after perusing discussions on a couple different sites and watching a few reviews/discussions on YouTube, something's come up more than once that I just don't get.
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Luke wasn't resisting a fully trained dark side user at the time. I'll take a concussion over that any day.
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As to no one who should have known/remembered things doing so: a possibility.
Look at the ending of 'Revenge' again. does Obi-wan make a Jedi Mind Trick gesture there? Did he (for Luke's safety) wipe info on Anakin and the droids from Owen & Beru?
"Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him."
"That's what I'm afraid of."
Of course, this is also the movie where Obi Wan claims he's never owned an R2 unit, whereas the relationship depicted in the prequel trilogy seems to warrant, "Well, it actually came with Padme's ship, so I wouldn't say it was my property exactly, but, sure, that's R2-D2."
Jedi truth amounts to lying one's keister off.
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Jedi truth amounts to lying one's keister off.As to no one who should have known/remembered things doing so: a possibility.
Look at the ending of 'Revenge' again. does Obi-wan make a Jedi Mind Trick gesture there? Did he (for Luke's safety) wipe info on Anakin and the droids from Owen & Beru?
"Luke's just not a farmer, Owen. He has too much of his father in him."
"That's what I'm afraid of."
Of course, this is also the movie where Obi Wan claims he's never owned an R2 unit, whereas the relationship depicted in the prequel trilogy seems to warrant, "Well, it actually came with Padme's ship, so I wouldn't say it was my property exactly, but, sure, that's R2-D2."
From a certain point of view, BNW; from a certain point of view.
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Y'know, so many Robot Chicken sketches are relevant to the last few posts that I've got option paralysis about which to link first. :P
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Put that on Wookieepedia asap please.I think with Chewie walking by Leia at the end and them not having a moment after Han's death, it's 2 reasons:
2. Chewie blames Himself for what happened with Han. It was Chewies idea to split up, so Chewie wasn't with Han to help him and he feels He could have prevented it. So He didn't want to face Leia.
Not that familiar with wookieepedia or the best place to put that there you may put it up there if you like.
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Can I just say how f-ed up it would be if Luke purposefully left a small child, even a force gifted one, alone on a planet by herself. Luke, more than any Jedi before him, should know the value of being raised by a family. Dumping a kid off would be something I could see Obi-Wan or Yoda. Luke? Geez I hope not.
Luke has consistently been shown in the OT to be a poor decision maker. The sand people trap, the going off to investigate some random signal right before blizzard time, heading into obvious trap Bespin, standing over the rancor pit, etc. His knee jerk reaction to hide one of his only survivors from the Knights' assault on the Jedi camp on backwoods Jakku is just another bad decision on the long, storied road of bad Skywalker decisions. Arguably also extending back to ole grandpa Anny.
I just saw that today.And a West End Games creation, The Inquisitorius, may make it to the movies.
Truly, this Star Wars dancing video has inspired me to leave behind all regrets! Now, I'm Flyin' Solo!
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Luke wasn't resisting a fully trained dark side user at the time.So after perusing discussions on a couple different sites and watching a few reviews/discussions on YouTube, something's come up more than once that I just don't get.
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Neither was Rey. Kylo Ren was still in training. That was explicit in the movie.
Furthermore, Kylo was also badly wounded. The movie took several opportunities to show us just how powerful Chewie's crossbow was (like shooting the ground to blow up two stormtroopers at once, or hitting one directly and sending him flying), and Kylo Ren took that to the gut before the fight even started. Add a couple of hits from Fin, and the dude's pretty messed up by the time he's trying to go head-to-head with Rey.
So no, Rey was not "resisting a fully trained dark side user", she was resisting a partially-trained and grievously wounded dark side user. Luke's was the more impressive feat by far.
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R2 was more Anakin's than Obi-Wan's.
You're hung up on "I don't remember owning a droid." But you're cool with "Darth Vader killed your father."...
Fans.
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Technically, Obi-wan didn't own a droid. They were Anakin/Shmee's & Padme's. So it wasn't a lie, per se. He just didn't say he did recognize them, though perhaps not right away.
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Luke wasn't resisting a fully trained dark side user at the time.So after perusing discussions on a couple different sites and watching a few reviews/discussions on YouTube, something's come up more than once that I just don't get.
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Neither was Rey. Kylo Ren was still in training. That was explicit in the movie.
Furthermore, Kylo was also badly wounded. The movie took several opportunities to show us just how powerful Chewie's crossbow was (like shooting the ground to blow up two stormtroopers at once, or hitting one directly and sending him flying), and Kylo Ren took that to the gut before the fight even started. Add a couple of hits from Fin, and the dude's pretty messed up by the time he's trying to go head-to-head with Rey.
So no, Rey was not "resisting a fully trained dark side user", she was resisting a partially-trained and grievously wounded dark side user. Luke's was the more impressive feat by far.
It's clearly shown multiple times in the movie that Kylo can easily use the force to move or hold people in place. Both Rey and Poe get pinned in place, one of the first order officers gets pulled across the room so Kylo can have him in a throttling grip, and he even stops a blaster shot mid air, holding there for nearly a minute, before letting it continue on it's path. So I don't think saying that his training is incomplete really means much here. It's more like Obi-wan in Ep 1. Technically he's not a full jedi yet, but he's still strong enough to defeat a sith.
So Rey overpowers someone who's clearly been show to be able to perform the feat numerous times before, and really the bowcaster and lightsaber wounds are the only saving grace to say maybe Rey isn't straight up more powerful than Kylo Ren.
Meanwhile Luke was only trying to do something he seemed to know he could already do, but just didn't seem that comfortable with, or that didn't come naturally to him yet. I don't think it's anywhere near as impressive as what Rey did.
And for the record, I don't think Rey is a Mary Sue, and I think there's a very good reason why she's a competent character. But the comparison to Luke are awful. Luke got beat up all the time, in fact in that previous example, Rey was thrown 30 feet through the air by a dark force user, whereas Luke was just clubbed by a wild animal that snuck up on him. Nowhere near as impressive.
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R2 was more Anakin's than Obi-Wan's.
You're hung up on "I don't remember owning a droid." But you're cool with "Darth Vader killed your father."...
Fans.
Lying about Luke's father is understandable. How do you tell a kid his father is a brutal murderer? It makes perfect sense he'd try to dodge past that topic. But why lie about the droid?
Or of course, realize he didn't lie about that at all ... At least not until Lucas's revisionism took over.
So no, Rey was not "resisting a fully trained dark side user", she was resisting a partially-trained and grievously wounded dark side user. Luke's was the more impressive feat by far.
Rey had been trained by luke, for years, and was powerful enough to overthrow him (possibly with help, but he seems to have been the leader of that little cabal. They put always put the leader in the cool spot in the middle)
Luke, after a little training from obiwan + some self learning in between 4 and 5, managed to pick up a 6 ounce lightsaber. Kylo was exerting enough force to toss around fuly grown men.
Also don't forget that Rey herself had just brained upside the head iirc.
Kylo also wasn't wookie bolt castered through the lung when he tried to force mind read Rey. I don't know if thats a light side or dark side thing, but if she beat him at either one thats pretty telling.
Rey's probably already had some training and or/ is scarily powerful
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In the culture that Star Wars is set, droids are basically pets/slaves. I seriously doubt most people pay much attention to them. "An R2 droid with blue dome? I may have seen hundreds of those, can't say any of them stood out particularly. None that I noticed anyway."
Consider R2 and C-3PO basically walking out when the stormtroopers arrive. The stormtroopers didn't really pay much attention to them because they weren't worth worrying about.