So a bat familiar has a str of 1 a dex of 15 and a con of 6
with a 16 skill of fly
What would happen if it changes to medium size using battle form
(assume lv 3)
thank you
Thunder_TBT
From the polymorph table the bat (diminutive) would get a +6 to str and a -4 to dex. It would get an additional +2 STR for the battle form power.
It would also have +1 STR all the time from the increased strength mauler ability.
This would get it 10 STR and 11 Dex. Con would be unchanged, fly skill would drop by 2 due to lower dex.
From the polymorph table the bat (diminutive) would get a +6 to str and a -4 to dex. It would get an additional +2 STR for the battle form power.
It would also have +1 STR all the time from the increased strength mauler ability.
This would get it 10 STR and 11 Dex. Con would be unchanged, fly skill would drop by 2 due to lower dex.
hum... thanks
I always thought you got a little more strength from Diminutive to tiny instead of +2 a always thought it was +4 and I thought a tiny animal got +8 from battle form so a Diminutive animal would get +10ah well i guess it is not by the monster creation size chart
Thunder_TBT
It's by the Polymorph chart, not the Monster Advancement Chart (which is only used by GMs to advance monsters). Note that the post you quoted is missing the extra -6 to Fly because of the size change, so the net result is -8 to the bat's initial Fly (leaving you with a total of +8).
I knew about the -8 total
but where can i find the Polymorph chart?Thanks
THunder_TBT
That chart only goes to Small...So there is still a small to medium gap.
How does that adjust?
It doesn't. The polymorph chart is a reference to help guide how size-changing magic affects creatures that are not small or medium, since size-changing magic always tells you what happens when you start as small or medium.
so the size increase chart i am reading
Dim - Tiny: +2 Str - 2 Dex
Tiny - Small: +4 Str - 2 Dex
Small - Med: +4 Str - 2 Dex +2 Contotal mods for your bat before familiar and ability
+10 Str - 6 Dex and +2 Con
Wrong chart. That's for creating new monster. You aren't doing that you're changing something, so you look at the polymorph table.
Creature's Original Size Str Dex Con Adjusted Size
Fine +6 –6 — Small
Diminutive +6 –4 — Small
Tiny +4 –2 — Small
Large –4 +2 –2 Medium
Huge –8 +4 –4 Medium
Gargantuan –12 +4 –6 Medium
Colossal –16 +4 –8 MediumThe chart clearly lacks Fine or Diminutive or Tiny to Medium. However I'd assume it would go to the Small adjustment and from Small to Medium there is no change to ability scores. Thus the +6 str, -4 Dex.
After rereading the polymorph section it seems more clear. However Small to Medium is still an assumption guided by this quote.
If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell.
By RAW there is no Fine or Diminutive or Tiny to Medium, thus no actual ability score difference from size. Obviously not RAI...
Yet Fine or Diminutive or Tiny to Medium is still omitted. Perhaps that is the clarification wanted and seems to be unrepresented. it is very clear on Fine or Diminutive or Tiny to Small.
In addition no where does the Battle form state it is a polymorph or transmutation effect, it does say it transforms.
Battle Form (Su): At 3rd level, a mauler gains the ability to transform into a larger, more ferocious form and back at will. In battle form, the mauler’s size becomes Medium and the mauler gains a +2 bonus to Strength (this stacks with the normal Strength adjustments for increasing in size). This ability replaces deliver touch spells.
If you read the section you'd see that it says if the creature is smaller than small, or larger than large, apply the changes on the table before applying the effects of the polymorph.