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At level three using a Elven Curve Blade would a rogue get 1.5xDex to damage like a 2handed str weapon?
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At level three using a Elven Curve Blade would a rogue get 1.5xDex to damage like a 2handed str weapon?
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Typically when something in the past has substituted DEX (or another stat) for STR, the answer to this question has been no. The exception has been the prehensile hair hex which says use your INT AS your STR.
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Typically when something in the past has substituted DEX (or another stat) for STR, the answer to this question has been no. The exception has been the prehensile hair hex which says use your INT AS your STR.At level three using a Elven Curve Blade would a rogue get 1.5xDex to damage like a 2handed str weapon?
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That seems to go both ways though; nothing indicates that off-hand weapons do half dex damage.
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Yeah, I don't remember where it is either, but I'm pretty sure FLite is correct. Basically anything along these lines that could go against Dex builds does. You don't get 1 1/2 Dex for two-handed, but it's still 1/2 Dex for off hand. Also, Piranha Strike doesn't give 1 1/2 dmg when two handing like Power Attack does.
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Well, since Unchained is presenting a new set of rules, I would not assume that any previous Dex-to-Damage paradigms apply. Most of the previous Dex-to-Damage feats/abilities has specific restrictions that do not appear anywhere in this text:
Finesse Training (Ex): At 1st level, a rogue gains Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat.In addition, starting at 3rd level, she can select any one type of weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse (such as rapiers or daggers). Once this choice is made, it cannot be changed. Whenever she makes a successful melee attack with the selected weapon, she adds her Dexterity modifier instead of her Strength modifier to the damage roll. If any effect would prevent the rogue from adding her Strength modifier to the damage roll, she does not add her Dexterity modifier.
First, the choice can be any single finessable weapon. Previous "dex to damage" rules restricted it to just light weapons or one-handed weapons wielded in one hand only, or called out "nothing in the off hand", etc. This has none of those restrictions. I would say that this ability can be used with weapons that can be two-handed (Elven curved blade, Aldori dueling sword, etc.) and/or with two weapon fighting.
Second, it is a direct replacement of Dex for Strength with no qualifications. It calls out that anything that would make you lose your Strength bonus would also make you lose your Dex bonus, so I would treat it as a 1:1, identical replacement. However your Strength bonus would function with that weapon, your Dex will function with that weapon the same way.
- Add 1.5x Dex to a two-handed weapon
- Add only 0.5x Dex to an off-hand weapon
- If you have Double Slice, add 1x Dex to the off hand weapon
etc.
If they intended this to somehow function differently from the way Str does in these cases, they would have given at least a hint in the text. There is none.
I think the same as Gwen Smith.
All the normal indicators are left out.
So untill there´s a confirmation from an official source that it actually doesn´t function, it functions. Even in PFS.
As far as i can see it there are only 4 weapons in the game that would be affected there and all of them are exotic, two of them racial weapons.
Also important to note, like i read it, crossclassing with swashbuckler doesn´t change that, since weapons affected by swashbuckler finesse are different from weapon finesse. So no 1 level dip swashbuckler for changing weapons there.
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I agree with Gwen's analysis; pending further notice, it's a 1:1 swap. Anything else is making your own guess and hoping that's what the rules were meant to be, but are not.
However, Hayato isn't entirely correct; it was always possible to 2-H a 1H finesse weapon like a rapier, it just rarely seemed worthwhile before.
I'm also interested in the off-hand weapon implications.
Finesse Training is any one type of weapon that can be used with Weapon Finesse.
You can select a second weapon at 11th level and a third at 19th level.
Elven Curve Blade, you can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier. So, you're good to go.
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Really wish Paizo would chime in on this. Building a char at the moment with the Curve Blade and having this question answered would help substantially with build decisions, as well as clear things up for the general community. It has been asked so many times in different places (1.5 x Dex) specifically.
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Luckily for you, they have chimed in!
Cfet, they DID chime in... On May 15, 2015...
Wander over to the FAQ section once and look at the Unchained section. It only FAQ there answers your question.