archtype Question


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can a character get multiple archtypes? i mean imagine i wanna make a monk of seven winds, but i dont like the 1st lvl ability lightning finish so i replace it with 4 winds ability: elemental fist, and since i like the ability abundant step i use qingong monk lvl instead of gaining sirocco's fury etc...

thx


Qinggong specifically can be mixed with any and all Archetypes, even if they seem to overlap, because Qinggong explicitly says it can as part of its description.

So your answer to "Can Qinggong stack with - " is always YES.

As to other Archetypes:

Archetypes can be stacked as many as you want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ALTER THE SAME THING.

d20pfsrd is very helpful with this, as they have a spreadsheet for every available Archetype for every Class, listing exactly what is affected where on the class.

So long two Archetypes don't have any ability that has 2 Xs, 2 Cs, or 1 X & 1 C between both of them (i,e, they don't both X out Still Mind or any other abilities), then they can be stacked.

You'll see some arguing on the boards (mostly for home-games), whether some Sorcerer Archetypes should be treated this way or should naturally overlap like the Qinggong Monk does (mostly Crossblooded and Wildblooded for reasons best not to get into here), but generally every other Class is very cut-and-dry about this.


jumpydady wrote:

can a character get multiple archtypes? i mean imagine i wanna make a monk of seven winds, but i dont like the 1st lvl ability lightning finish so i replace it with 4 winds ability: elemental fist, and since i like the ability abundant step i use qingong monk lvl instead of gaining sirocco's fury etc...

thx

Specifically in your case, you can have either a Qinggong Monk of the Four Winds or a Qinggong Monk of the Seven Winds, but not both.

MoFW and MoSW both replace Stunning Fist, so you're out of luck - you have to pick one.


so unless its qinggong the other archtypes cant be used to overlap the other archtype ability right? ok i see


Right, and even then, the normal Archetype takes precedence over Qinggong.

So the abilities of Monk of the Seven Winds that replace Slow Fall and High Jump cannot be altered by Qinggong Monk.


ermm seven winds dowsnt ahve anything that replace slowfall or high jump.... at least i think...
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/monk/archetypes/paizo---monk-a rchetypes/monk-of-the-seven-forms-monk-archetype


Sorry - was apparently looking at Monk of the Sacred Mountains right above it.


oh one last question imagine if i dont like the seven wind monk 1st lvl ability lightning finish, can i replace it with the original monk ability (the stunning fist)?


Nope. You can't take partial archetypes, it's all or nothing.


DARN!!!!!!"#$%& that first lvl ability is the only thing i rly hate for my char... Q_Q anyway snif thx

oh by the way, when chbgraphicarts said "Archetypes can be stacked as many as you want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ALTER THE SAME THING." does he mans for a specific lvl? or for all 20 lvls?


Stunning Fist is a feat. You could still take it. You would get the extra uses per day as a monk but would lose the additional conditions a regular monk gets to chose from.


oh no its just i dont like the lightning finish and wanted to find a way to somehow replace the ability


jumpydady wrote:
oh no its just i dont like the lightning finish and wanted to find a way to somehow replace the ability

One question, though - Why Monk of the Seven Winds?

If you don't like Lightning Finish, and if you were going to replace Sirrocco's Fury with Abundant Step (which, actually, you can't, because Seven Winds overrides Qinggong Monk that way - you'd have to wait until later to take Abundant Step), what's the reason behind Seven Winds?


jumpydady wrote:

DARN!!!!!!"#$%& that first lvl ability is the only thing i rly hate for my char... Q_Q anyway snif thx

oh by the way, when chbgraphicarts said "Archetypes can be stacked as many as you want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T ALTER THE SAME THING." does he mans for a specific lvl? or for all 20 lvls?

For all 20 levels. If the only thing that overlaps is the lv20 ability for the archetypes then you can't take them at the same time. If they only overlapped on a lv1 ability then you can't take them at the same time. You'd have to pick one or the other.

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Chess Pwn wrote:
overlapped on a lv1 ability then you can't take them at the same time. You'd have to pick one or the other.

And to clarify, by overlap, that is if they alter, modify, change, add to, remove from, give more options, talk about, or otherwise mention the same ability, then they don't stack.


oh the reason is because the bonus feat in the seven winds ;D (i know it sounds silly) but i dont like the bonus feat list in the original monk and i prefer the bonus feat list in the seven winds :P, ok i understand now, ok to explain im making a monk that has 0 str and i want this monk to not use unarmed strike, he is going for multiclass cleric monk, and get the feet crusaders flurry and use scimitar, and choose dervish dance feet, this will make him capable of dealing dmg based on dexterity and not on str, the prob with lightning finish is that it requires my char to use unarmed attacks... on the other hand i like the feet selection bonus the feets that allows me to move in hard terrain, and getting wind stance, sinc i want to use the normal feats to get dimensional dervish...


Sounds like you're wanting to play a sacred fist warpriest. They can get crusader's flurry at lv3 with no multiclassing. And then you get swift action buffs, full BAB progression for you flurry, and can pick up dragon style with class feats to ignore difficult terrain


chbgraphicarts wrote:
you'd have to wait until later to take Abundant Step), what's the reason behind Seven Winds?
Not possible
Qinggong Monk FAQ wrote:
Note that if the second archetype replaces a standard monk ability, the character cannot select that replaced ability at a later monk level.


NikolaiJuno wrote:
chbgraphicarts wrote:
you'd have to wait until later to take Abundant Step), what's the reason behind Seven Winds?
Not possible
Qinggong Monk FAQ wrote:
Note that if the second archetype replaces a standard monk ability, the character cannot select that replaced ability at a later monk level.

Well, that sucks, then.

And this, kids, is why you're very careful when selecting Archetypes.


humm so it means i can either have wholeness of body or, life funnel if i choose qiggong monk/hungry ghost monk? well time to rethink my char, by the way what u guys think is better life funnel or wholeness of body?


jumpydady wrote:
humm so it means i can either have wholeness of body or, life funnel if i choose qiggong monk/hungry ghost monk? well time to rethink my char, by the way what u guys think is better life funnel or wholeness of body?

It means you have to choose Hungry Ghost Monk and get Life Funnel without any chance to have Wholeness of Body, or not take Hungry Ghost Monk and keep Wholeness of Body.

The reasoning is that in order to take a conflicting archetype with Qinggong you have to choose to keep the normal power then trade it for the archetype power. You have already chosen it, so it's not a legal option to take again.


humm opinion wholeness of body or funnel life? :P
funnel seems more power ful since ill be using scimitar, but wholeness of body seems more versatible... ARGH!!!! decision!!! Q_Q


If you're still planing on multi-classing Life Funnel will be a better ability. It will save you Ki, which you will have less of. I'd go for Hungry Ghost.


ok thx for the advice

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