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Do items in the core rulebook that exist but are missing entries still have their abilities mentioned in Ultimate Equipment? For example, the Whetstone is listed as 2 cp and 1 lb.
And that's it. There's no further mention of it, not even an entry to describe it. Does a Whetstone still allow you to spend 15 minutes honing a blade to provide a +1 on your next damage role?
I'm sure there are other items like this, but this is the first one I noticed/am interested in.

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If it's abilities rent mentioned in the Core Rulebook, then no, unless it is further clarified on a Chronicle sheet.

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*tries to set up tent*
*discovers tent is actually just a 20lb lump with no stats*
*sleeps in the rain*
*sells tent to a merchant who owns Ultimate Equipment*


Jiggy wrote:

*tries to set up tent*

*discovers tent is actually just a 20lb lump with no stats*
*sleeps in the rain*
*sells tent to a merchant who owns Ultimate Equipment*

...Yep, a bunch of things in this book are now useless. Others are now OP (can mundane items really be overpowered?).

Bacpacks, Belt Pouches, and Waterskins no longer have a defined volume. The only reason to buy a Handy Haversack is for it's ability to put the item you want at the top for easy access. (Move Action no AO). But you give up the infinite hammerspace of the backpack.../sarcasm

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I have always been a five foot cube of infinite volume but finite carrying capacity. It's the Heisenberg uncertainty Principle of Pathfinder: You can know exactly how much I weigh, but not exactly how much space I take up.

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Those items are useless if the GM fails to provide you with an explanation of what they can do. And if a GM does that, I would argue that they are failing you as a player.

For example, a tent is listed as an item in Core. If you get done with your adventuring day, and tell your GM that you're going to set up your tent and he tells you "that item isn't described in Core, therefore it does absolutely nothing," he is being unnecessarily punitive. Obviously the tent does something. What it does is something that you can define with your GM at the table. Maybe it gives you a slight bonus on Fortitude saves in hot or cold environments or maybe it reduces the chance of getting eaten by insects while adventuring in the Mwangi Expanse. Maybe it gives you a bonus to Diplomacy checks the next day because you weren't sleeping in the dirt. It certainly does something, just because it wasn't detailed in the Core Rulebok doesn't mean the item is useless.

I believe that Mike was responding to your specific question about a whetstone*. Since that exact mechanical function of the whetstone does not exist in the Core Rulebook and was added in a later source, it is not fair to force all Core GMs to learn it. So items don't have their Ultimate Equipment detailed abilities. However GMs can still adjudicate circumstance effects at the table, dependent on character action. If a player tells me "I have a whetstone and want to sharpen my blade while we sit around the fire," I might give them a circumstance bonus regarding that weapon the next time they use it. I am just not forced to grant a specific mechanical benefit that is not detailed in the Core Rulebook.

*Correct me if I am wrong here, Mike.

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*searches CRB for 'gazebo'*

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Jiggy wrote:
*searches CRB for 'gazebo'*

It's not in the CRB. It's in one of the Bestiaries.

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DesolateHarmony wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
*searches CRB for 'gazebo'*
It's not in the CRB. It's in one of the Bestiaries.

I'm sure it's a Mythic monster. I think it turns you to stone.

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grandpoobah wrote:
DesolateHarmony wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
*searches CRB for 'gazebo'*
It's not in the CRB. It's in one of the Bestiaries.

I'm sure it's a Mythic monster. I think it turns you to stone.

I believe the one that Desolate Harmony is referring to, would be the one that turns you upside down and shreds you into 10000 pieces.

the Glabrezebo.

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joe kirner wrote:
grandpoobah wrote:
DesolateHarmony wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
*searches CRB for 'gazebo'*
It's not in the CRB. It's in one of the Bestiaries.

I'm sure it's a Mythic monster. I think it turns you to stone.

I believe the one that Desolate Harmony is referring to, would be the one that turns you upside down and shreds you into 10000 pieces.

the Glabrezebo.

OMG! We just fought one of those--seriously.

Spoiler:
A Glabrezu was using Silent Image to disguise itself as a gazebo. It was hilarious!

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Jiggy wrote:

*tries to set up tent*

*discovers tent is actually just a 20lb lump with no stats*
*sleeps in the rain*
*sells tent to a merchant who owns Ultimate Equipment*

I think we can use common sense. I mean just because there is no text that says you can use a tent as a tent, doesn't mean you can't use a tent as a tent.

On the other hand, certain bonuses like what the whetstone gives, is certainly different.

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Quiet, you! Or I'll stuff you in my undefined-capacity backpack!

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I want my infinitely large tankard. full of beer! NOW!

What? I am not a Core character?

slinks away sheepishly

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Some of the season 0-2 scenario's will say if the players have a tent or other cover give them a +2 on the cold weather checks over night, or I remember some saying if the players have a tent or other cover they will not need to make checks over night.

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... And for the infinitely large Backpack, go head put everything in the backpack, now lift it. Also, retrieve the stored item, from you infinitely large backpack that you can't move, and I will take my AOO.

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