so i just learned about the "fast learner" feat for humans. so you can get double the favored class bonus. if i go barbarian and take the favored class bonus twice and get ghost rager rage power.at every level will my touch be higher than my ac? and which would i use against attacks? if my touch is higher should i use that?
so i just learned about the "fast learner" feat for humans. so you can get double the favored class bonus.
Not quite.
When you gain a level in a favored class, you gain both +1 hit point and +1 skill rank instead of choosing either one or the other benefit or you can choose an alternate class reward.
A generous reading allows you to pick two of (hit point, skill point, racial favored class bonus). A stricter reading allows you to pick either the racial favored class bonus [as normal] or a combination of both a hit point and a skill point.
There's no reading that lets you simply double up a favored class bonus. You don't get 2 skills per level, you don't get two hit points per level, and you don't get two special racial bonuses.
Fast Learner cannot be combined with alternate favored class bonuses. It can only be used to gain +1HP and +1SP. If you take a favored class bonus, you do not get another bonus, nor do you get the HP and SP.
??? "The feat does exactly what it says it does (grammatically). If you have this feat you can either choose +1 hit point and +1 skill rank, or you can choose the alternate class reward.
You do not get your choice of two of the three, but it does not preclude you from taking an alternate class reward if you choose to do that instead.
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is what he said isnt that saying i CAN choose it twice? im confused. i just got off a different thread that said this is a thing. because it says that you can. http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ryxs?favored-class-bonus-racial-heritage-and-f ast
He is reiterating that you still have the option to take alternate favored class bonuses after taking the feat. You just don't get the benefit of the feat when you do.
what that dose not make any sense. so you take the feet and it dose not do what it says? so can i choose the FCB or the SP or HP? so what im trying to get what he is saying is. you can get the FCB but you give up both of your SP and HP? so can you choose it twice?
You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
so you take the feet and it dose not do what it says?It does what it says. Allows you to get +1 HP and +1 SP. If you don't choose HP or SP the feat doesn't do anything.
ah. ok thanks for clearing that up.
You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
but you cant choose the FCB twice; it seems. if i was to level a half elf and take the feat. im guessing i can still only choose the FCB once. that's not how the feat reads at the end but i guess "that's just the way it is".
but you cant choose the FCB twice; it seems.You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
That's right. In the same way you can't choose to get an extra hit point twice.
if i was to level a half elf and take the feat. im guessing i can still only choose the FCB once. that's not how the feat reads at the end but i guess "that's just the way it is".
That's exactly how it reads at the end, beginning, and middle. Normally, you can choose one of three choices:
a) a hit pointb) a skill point
c) a racial FCB
The feat opens a fourth choice:
d) a hit point AND a skill point
... which is clearly an improvement (it's better than either a or b), but also very limited.
It's probably there for dippable FCBs. The elf arcanist FCB is great. But you wouldn't want to take it very many levels
but you cant choose the FCB twice; it seems.You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
That's right. In the same way you can't choose to get an extra hit point twice.
if i was to level a half elf and take the feat. im guessing i can still only choose the FCB once. that's not how the feat reads at the end but i guess "that's just the way it is".That's exactly how it reads at the end, beginning, and middle. Normally, you can choose one of three choices:
a) a hit point
b) a skill point
c) a racial FCBThe feat opens a fourth choice:
d) a hit point AND a skill point... which is clearly an improvement (it's better than either a or b), but also very limited.
i think i got it.
so would the feat allow me to take my FCB, a hit point and a skill point when i take a level in my FC? im probably making this more complicated than it really is.
but you cant choose the FCB twice; it seems.You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
That's right. In the same way you can't choose to get an extra hit point twice.
if i was to level a half elf and take the feat. im guessing i can still only choose the FCB once. that's not how the feat reads at the end but i guess "that's just the way it is".That's exactly how it reads at the end, beginning, and middle. Normally, you can choose one of three choices:
a) a hit point
b) a skill point
c) a racial FCBThe feat opens a fourth choice:
d) a hit point AND a skill point... which is clearly an improvement (it's better than either a or b), but also very limited.
i think i got it.
so would the feat allow me to take my FCB, a hit point and a skill point when i take a level in my FC? im probably making this more complicated than it really is.
no
Not quite...
(And yes, you are a bit. But don't worry about it.)
If you have the feat, whenever you take a level in your Favored Class, you pick either:
1) +1 skill point and +1 hit point
OR
2) Your alternate racial Favored Class Bonus
ALL the feat does is change your choice from a,b,or c to a, b,c, or d. You still only get to choose one from that list.but you cant choose the FCB twice; it seems.You have two choices, pick ONE:
A) +1 hp and +1 skill
or
B) The Favored Class Bonus
That's right. In the same way you can't choose to get an extra hit point twice.
if i was to level a half elf and take the feat. im guessing i can still only choose the FCB once. that's not how the feat reads at the end but i guess "that's just the way it is".That's exactly how it reads at the end, beginning, and middle. Normally, you can choose one of three choices:
a) a hit point
b) a skill point
c) a racial FCBThe feat opens a fourth choice:
d) a hit point AND a skill point... which is clearly an improvement (it's better than either a or b), but also very limited.
i think i got it.
so would the feat allow me to take my FCB, a hit point and a skill point when i take a level in my FC? im probably making this more complicated than it really is.
ah ok. i got it thanks guys.
It's the same as Dwarves can't use their '+4 AC against Giants' when fighting Dragons. Your Touch AC is higher because you are trained/motivated against avoiding touch attacks. It doesn't help you against non-touch attacks.
im sorry ,but even if this does work by the rules it is not logical at all.
(and this is nothing like dwarven + to ac vs gaints.as that would be both against gaint who hit or touch the character)
a guy who traines so well he can't be even touched (as touch attack only need to touch you. or your whield) with a roll of say 15 shouldn't be easier to pierce\slash\blodgen with the same roll. (yes,yes insert "can't touch me" song here...).
id say if you miss some1 touch ac. he's not there at all for the normal to hit roll...to hit.
remmber Mr miyagi's teaching, Daniel-San. Best defence is not being there!
Touch AC is not always dodging the blow. In some cases like the ghost rager it can be a supernatural barrier that blocks ghost and other intangible/multiplane objects like wraiths arms or scorching rays, but does nothing aginst plain old steel.