Alright so now that we were talking about my friends build I am kind of wanting to work on a build for a Achilles style character (from the movie Troy especially) maybe throw in some Leonidas style shield and weapon focus.
This is a Gestalt Character
Level 5 maybe
Stats are Here
Weapons & Gear:
Light Steel Shield (Perhaps Quickdraw)
Falcata
Spear
Pilum (x3)
Two Flaws
Shaky -2 to ranged attacks
Murky-Eyed In combat, every time you attack an opponent that has concealment, roll your miss chance twice. If either or both results indicate that you miss, your attack fails.
We use a mix of 3.X
AEG's mercenaries for example is another book we use.
So Laminated Serrated Steel (+1 to damage, +1 to threat range and multiplier) So the Falcata would deal 1d8+1 18-20/x4.
This would simulate his one shotting foes, even if the blade is not perfect.
So a human bonus feat is used for the Weapon Prof for the Falcata
So that means me with 5 feats (3 from Fighter and 2 from flaws)
I was thinking Mobile Fighter would be great on one side. But I am not sure what would go well on the other. I was thinking Ranger which would give a good reflex, and good skills, as well as bonus feats for Shield and weapon style.
Edit: thinking Mithral Breastplate with Armored Kilt would work for theme and style, as well as keeping it at medium armor. With AEG's stuff I can boost the AC bonus of both for just 1800 GP.
Someone just pointed out a potential build.
Barbarian(invulnerable Rager) 2/Bloodrager(Untouchable Rager & Spelleater) X//Swashbuckler 5/?X
This gives him DR equal to half his Level, at 4th level of bloodrager (6 ECL) he gains SR of 8+Level and of course when he gains spell slots he can consume them to heal himself so even when hit he doesn't go down easily. For swashbuckler it gives good deeds, Weapon focus is nice and of course Improved Critcal which would make that Falcata crit at 15-20 which makes him doing one shots a lot easier.
Though not sure how to run him after level 5 on that side, Wondering if picking up Fighter for the rest to use the Mobile or Phalanx Archetype for shield and sword fun, or maybe the shielded archetype though the shield will need to be a buckler due to the Swashbuckler unless I can find a good replacement for Precise Strike.
Someone just pointed out a potential build.
Barbarian(invulnerable Rager) 2/Bloodrager(Untouchable Rager & Spelleater) X//Swashbuckler 5/?XThis gives him DR equal to half his Level, at 4th level of bloodrager (6 ECL) he gains SR of 8+Level and of course when he gains spell slots he can consume them to heal himself so even when hit he doesn't go down easily. For swashbuckler it gives good deeds, Weapon focus is nice and of course Improved Critcal which would make that Falcata crit at 15-20 which makes him doing one shots a lot easier.
Though not sure how to run him after level 5 on that side, Wondering if picking up Fighter for the rest to use the Mobile or Phalanx Archetype for shield and sword fun, or maybe the shielded archetype though the shield will need to be a buckler due to the Swashbuckler unless I can find a good replacement for Precise Strike.
I'm pretty sure invulnerable rager DR dose not stack with other classes as far as level progression.
I'm pretty sure invulnerable rager DR dose not stack with other classes as far as level progression.Someone just pointed out a potential build.
Barbarian(invulnerable Rager) 2/Bloodrager(Untouchable Rager & Spelleater) X//Swashbuckler 5/?XThis gives him DR equal to half his Level, at 4th level of bloodrager (6 ECL) he gains SR of 8+Level and of course when he gains spell slots he can consume them to heal himself so even when hit he doesn't go down easily. For swashbuckler it gives good deeds, Weapon focus is nice and of course Improved Critcal which would make that Falcata crit at 15-20 which makes him doing one shots a lot easier.
Though not sure how to run him after level 5 on that side, Wondering if picking up Fighter for the rest to use the Mobile or Phalanx Archetype for shield and sword fun, or maybe the shielded archetype though the shield will need to be a buckler due to the Swashbuckler unless I can find a good replacement for Precise Strike.
You're right I swear I thought Bloodrager had a thing that allowed it to count as a Barbarian for effects.
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Someone recommended Kensai Magus (gives the prof for Falcata anyway) and boosts AC.
However a 8000 GP investment for a +1 Keen Falcata is a little much.
Someone recommended Kensai Magus (gives the prof for Falcata anyway) and boosts AC.
However a 8000 GP investment for a +1 Keen Falcata is a little much.
1 point from Arcane Pool from a 5th level Kensai and ALL Falcata's he picks up become +1 Keen :P
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Sing, goddess, the anger of Peleus’ son Achilleus
and its devastation, which put pains thousandfold upon the Achaians,
hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong souls
of heroes, but gave their bodies to be the delicate feasting
of dogs, of all birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished
since that time when first there stood in division of conflict
Atreus’ son the lord of men and brilliant Achilleus. . . .
Achilleus used predominately a spear, and is often described as swift-footed. I would go with a Barbarian(invulnerable Rager) build, taking beast totem for pounce, give him the ride skill. Generally he rides around on a chariot and chucks spears, but when he gets upset he'll run faster than any horse and mercilessly slaughter all opponents. He also should have perform Lyre (I believe it is a lyre he uses).
Ideally he should have something that makes him immune to weapon damage (melee only) but be vulnerable to arrows and bolts.
There was a quote from the movie where someone is talking to him amd says "they say your mother is an immortal goddess, they say you cannot die." And he just looks at him amd says "then i wouldn't be needing a shield would I?"
I thought to use at least a few levels of phalanx soldier to get spear with one hand when using a shield. Thr tower shield specialist actually gets really close to 0 acp and losss the -2
Bloodrager's spelleater gets fast healing 1 and can burn spell lots to heal himself.
No matter how much effort you put into this character concept, the finished product will still be a heel.
And don't forget taking Patroclus as a Cohort. No Ahilleus without his boyfriend.
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Phalanx Fighter would be pretty good as a spear and shield combo, using the sword when the fight required him to drop his spear or when he has to throw it.
I seriously have no clue what to set alongside Phalanx Fighter, which gives Full BAB, Fort Save, and some nice use with feats.
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Spartans used short spear not long so you wouldn't need phalanx fighter, actually a tower shield specialist would be more fitting. Don't forget far throw, dead eye shot and vital strike chain for awesome spear throws.
And your 2 flaws are so bad for this type of character. You would miss just about every ranged attack past dusk.
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To be fair Achilles is Greek but not Spartan, in fact he is from a different part of Greece.
But yes the spear is held in one hand and is able to reach, use the shield for bashing to knock back and get an AoO from it.
But yeah Tower Shield is interesting, to bad you cannot use it for Shield Bash.
True but I selected those without really planning on throwing my spears much. But I will change those likely. I also want to add Pilums to his equipment to take down shields.
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To be fair Achilles is Greek but not Spartan, in fact he is from a different part of Greece.
But yes the spear is held in one hand and is able to reach, use the shield for bashing to knock back and get an AoO from it.
But yeah Tower Shield is interesting, to bad you cannot use it for Shield Bash.
True but I selected those without really planning on throwing my spears much. But I will change those likely. I also want to add Pilums to his equipment to take down shields.
Not being able to bash isn't a big deal, unless you were trying for a Twf build. The "reach" you speak of would be more comparable to the lunge feat, not a "reach weapon".
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I would probably go Phalanx Soldier/Arcane Duelist for this. You can use a longspear and tower shield at the same time. You can inspire your allies. You have full BAB, bonus feats like crazy from both Fighter and Bard, all good saves, 6th level casting, the ability to get a bonded object weapon (can cast with hands full + cheap magic weapon), you eventually can cast in the heavier armors, lots of skill points and class skills, and basically no real downsides.
to be fair most of the ancient greeks would have sex with other men and not consider themselves gay.
Arcane Duelist might do well due to the ability to lead an army into battle. With Phalanx I can reduce the Armor Check for a Tower shield to something like -2 or -3 but I will still take the -2 to Attack rolls while having the shield in hand. Tower Shield Specialist however gains even a +2 Max dex on his armor. And he is a so a Dexterous fighter.
Since this build will likely be at level 5 so next level pick up Lunge, then take Monkey Lunge later to remove the penalties.
Also Effortless Lace allows me to take a two handed weapon and use it as a one handed weapon for just 2,500 GP.
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So apparently Catch Off Guard allows a weapon with reach to be used as a improvised weapon without the penalty to attack it normally would have.
So I think I could make this world with the Tower Shield Specialist, Effortless Lace Longspear (for Reach) or just Spear (With the Lunge feat later), and pick up Catch Off Guard as a fighter feat to allow for the use of the Longspear in melee as a quarterstaff or Bo staff 1d6 x2
Unless they've fixed it somewhere or you house rule it, Monkey Lunge requires a standard action to use, meaning you can't attack.