musket with a silencer


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a char i have that wants to do so how would you do this?

he would like to removed it if need


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IRL, not possible with a musket-era firearm, or any muzzle-loader. Not at all.
According to the game rules, not an option, even with later firearms. Certainly not a musket. Don't recall ever seeing such a thing.

If you want to houserule a close-to-modern campaign, why not? Otherwise, his best bet is a silence spell.


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Oil of silence works for one hour and costs only 250 gp.

Scarab Sages

Are you doing early firarms or modern firearms?

If early, I'd flatly say no as a non-magical option, though you could still magically enchant it to be silent. For magic, There should be some spells that can accomidate this.

As for modern firearms, you could have some custom attachment that fits where a bayonet would mount, probably adding some weight. I will note that the silencer still wouldn't make the weapon fire silently, but you could muffle the sound a bit.

Sorry, no rules answer comes to mind.

Grand Lodge

The reason you don't have silencers with muskets, is for the same reason they weren't built for canons. The noise is being produced in the open pan of the fire arm, not the muzzle as it is with cartridge ammo.


Murdock Mudeater wrote:
I will note that the silencer still wouldn't make the weapon fire silently, but you could muffle the sound a bit.

You could with something custom-made. But not a simple attachment.

Dark Archive

oil of Silence, costs 250gp, and lasts one hour.

That's all there is RAW.

Liberty's Edge

LazarX wrote:
The reason you don't have silencers with muskets, is for the same reason they weren't built for canons. The noise is being produced in the open pan of the fire arm, not the muzzle as it is with cartridge ammo.

The primary powder charge in a muzzle loading weapon is still inside the weapon at the barrel's base, the same as a "modern" firearm. Yes, flintlock, matchlock, etc. weapons do have an open primer charge outside the barrel, but that's much smaller than the primary. You certainly couldn't make a muzzle loader as quiet as a "modern" weapon, but I see no reason a silencer designed for such a weapon wouldn't reduce the sound to an extent. Never as quite as a "modern" weapon, but still quieter.


Even a modern weapon when silenced is pretty loud. (EDIT - Previously I said "Not boom, hear it from across the block loud"....I was wrong), but a lot louder than movies and TV would have you believe.

If a spellcaster gets busted casting a spell that has verbal components even while whispering, a "silenced" weapon sure is going to give itself away from almost anywhere on the map, that's for dang sure.

Oil, wand, scroll, or other means of casting the silence spell is the only way, as has been stated.

Grand Lodge

Oil of Silence my friend.

Movies and shows really mess up "silencers".

Even modern firearm with suppressors, are still pretty dang loud.


The average gunshot is about 140-190dB.

From what I've read, a "silencer" reduces the noise to about 130-150dB, or if you're actually using subsonic ammunition, 117-130dB. It's a pretty substantial drop, considering the way the decibel system works, but...not even close to enough.

By comparison, a clap of thunder is more or less 120dB. An ambulance or police siren is 100-140dB.

Hearing loss can occur at as low as 85dB.

I have to edit my previous post. It IS hear it from across the block loud.

Liberty's Edge

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Movies and shows really mess up "silencers".

Even modern firearm with suppressors, are still pretty dang loud.

Absolutely. I didn't intend my post to imply a "silenced" weapon ("modern" or otherwise) is ACTUALLY silent. They are most certainly still loud. My intent was more to express that a muzzle loader COULD be "silenced," but not quite as effectively as a "modern" weapon.

thegreenteagamer wrote:
I have to edit my previous post. It IS hear it from across the block loud.

Indeed it is.

I think, though I may be mistaken, the silencer's intent is more of a flash suppressor. Yes, it makes the gunshot quieter, but they also reduce/eliminate muzzle flash.

Shadow Lodge

Actually its funny, by raw firearms dont do more sound than regular weapons so any stealth penalties will depend entirely on the DM. I feel there are a bunch of rules missing from firearms, like what exactly happens when a magic firearms gets wet


Even if you use Oil of Silence and you get your Sniper Rifle, that Black Powder Rifle is going to put up a cloud of smoke. Silent you may be, but the enemy will know where you are at!


Pathfinder Lost Omens Subscriber

there is a flash hider he could get it would essentially reduce the smoke from the gun going everywhere and the muzzle flash. still lots of noise but you don't get seen necessarily. don't know about how real it is just always been fascinated by it from world at war. not an actual in game item as per RAW but i think it could work on muskets.


LazarX wrote:
The reason you don't have silencers with muskets, is for the same reason they weren't built for canons.

Actually, if you Google Image Search for "cannon silencer"...

:)

-j


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You have a silencer. The Paizo firearm rules do not allow you to get a non-silenced firearm because deafening everyone within 15' (tripled in rooms smaller than 20' in the smallest dimension) for 2d6 rounds was considered too powerful an effect for a nonmagical device.


Permanency + Silence cast on a small metal piece.. attach it to your musket = silencer (and you are also silenced^^).
If you don't need it, put it in an extra-dimensonal pocket (miniature bag of holding)


sorry its taking me reply back

Murdock Mudeater wrote:

Are you doing early firarms or modern firearms?

If early, I'd flatly say no as a non-magical option, though you could still magically enchant it to be silent. For magic, There should be some spells that can accomidate this.

As for modern firearms, you could have some custom attachment that fits where a bayonet would mount, probably adding some weight. I will note that the silencer still wouldn't make the weapon fire silently, but you could muffle the sound a bit.

Sorry, no rules answer comes to mind.

early firearm

ngc7293 wrote:
Even if you use Oil of Silence and you get your Sniper Rifle, that Black Powder Rifle is going to put up a cloud of smoke. Silent you may be, but the enemy will know where you are at!

its mostly for dungeon runs for open field he don't care

blahpers wrote:
Oil of silence works for one hour and costs only 250 gp.

i don't thank about that hmmmm

Tryn wrote:

Permanency + Silence cast on a small metal piece.. attach it to your musket = silencer (and you are also silenced^^).

If you don't need it, put it in an extra-dimensonal pocket (miniature bag of holding)

a other good one but i have spellcaster that may hate him for using that

any other good one?

Chaoskin

Liberty's Edge

One I'm rather fond of: Whispering Gloves.

Shadow Lodge

DrSwordopolis wrote:
One I'm rather fond of: Whispering Gloves.

Wow this is actually really nice for a gunslinger


15,000g for that effect?!?

All the fun pathfinder effects are ridiculously expensive

Liberty's Edge

CWheezy wrote:

15,000g for that effect?!?

All the fun pathfinder effects are ridiculously expensive

Sadly true, but still something I'll probably wind up picking for my gunslinger sniper in PFS. Just need to get someone to run the module for me.

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