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So suppose a ZAM dipped SFW, would s/he be able to flurry with their unarmed strikes and bows now? Would they have two different flurries, going off of each classes level or stack for one super flurry?
Flurry of Blows (Ex)
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.
A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
A zen archer cannot use Rapid Shot or Manyshot when making a flurry of blows with his bow.
Flurry of Blows (Ex)
At 1st level, a sacred fist can make a flurry of blows attack as a full-attack action. This ability works like the monk ability of the same name.
This ability replaces sacred weapon.
Two different flurry, because:
Parent Classes: Each one of the following classes lists two classes that it draws upon to form the basis of its theme. While a character can multiclass with these parent classes, this usually results in redundant abilities. Such abilities don't stack unless specified. If a class feature allows the character to make a one-time choice (such as a bloodline), that choice must match similar choices made by the parent classes and vice-versa (such as selecting the same bloodline). The new classes presented here are all hybrids of two existing core or base classes.
The monk is not a parent class of Warpriest. Fighter and Cleric are.
I think you'd have to rule them as separate abilities; so the ZAM's BAB (actual, not his flurrying BAB) would be added to the Sacred Fist Flurry, and the Sacred Fist BAB (again, actual) would be added to ZAM flurry. You'd have to do one or the other on a given round.
^Yep.
This ability works like the monk ability of the same name.
FAQ:
Channel Energy: If I have this ability from more than one class, do they stack?
No—unless an ability specifically says it stacks with similar abilities (such as an assassin's sneak attack), or adds in some way based on the character's total class levels (such as improved uncanny dodge), the abilities don't stack and you have to use them separately. Therefore, cleric channeling doesn't stack with paladin channeling, necromancer channeling, oracle of life channeling, and so on.
They work like each other but are not the same and don't stack.
Since one flurry works only with bow. And the other works like monk flurry(only with monk weapons and unarmed attacks) i dont see the problem.
If you get that feat that allow you to flurry with your gods favored weapon and that happen to be a bow. Then you use the best of the two flurryes and ad the BAB of the other class.
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So suppose a ZAM dipped SFW, would s/he be able to flurry with their unarmed strikes and bows now? Would they have two different flurries, going off of each classes level or stack for one super flurry?
Flurry of Blows (Ex)
Starting at 1st level, a zen archer can make a flurry of blows as a full-attack action, but only when using a bow (even though it is a ranged weapon). He may not make a flurry of blows with his unarmed attacks or any other weapons. A zen archer does not apply his Strength bonus on damage rolls made with flurry of blows unless he is using a composite bow with a Strength rating.
A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
A zen archer cannot use Rapid Shot or Manyshot when making a flurry of blows with his bow.
Flurry of Blows (Ex)
At 1st level, a sacred fist can make a flurry of blows attack as a full-attack action. This ability works like the monk ability of the same name.
This ability replaces sacred weapon.
The problem that this combination goes through, is that you have two different kinds of Flurry of Blows. One is the vanilla Monk's Flurry of Blows, and one is the further modified Zen Archer Monk's Flurry of Blows.
I don't know why you would want both of these, but they wouldn't stack. You would simply use one or the other, obviously choosing the more powerful one. Now, neither of them would disappear as you have both, so you can use either one at any time... not sure how that would really benefit you.
If you were a 4 ZAM/4 SFW... your ZAM's Flurry of Blows would be level 4, and your SFW's Flurry of Blows would be level 4. Both of these are separate from one another.
At level 8, you should have 4 total attacks if you were full Zen Archer or Sacred Fist... being 4/4 of each means you'd still be at 2 total attacks with either Flurry of Blows. :T
I'd treat this the same as two classes that grant you familiars or animal companions. The levels stack. It's like winter witch and wizard familiars, you stack them but it has to be a cold environment familiar.
After all, you're dealing with two abilities that works like the monk ability, just like witches/wizards familiars functions like the wizard’s arcane bond class feature.
Now I have no idea how that quote from hybrid classes fits in. It really needs some examples of exactly what they mean by "redundant abilities".
On first read, I assumed they wouldn't stack, but then there's this line in Zen Archer: "A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level." On closer read, all the Zen Archer modification does is restrict the weapons that the monk can use to flurry.
This is the same functional modification (and much of the same text) as the Monk of the Empty Hand:
Starting at 1st level, a monk of the empty hand can make a flurry of blows using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with an improvised weapon. He may not make a flurry of blows with any other weapons, including special monk weapons. A monk of the empty hand’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.
If the Sacred Fist flurry stacks with the normal Monk flurry for level-dependent features (BAB, iterative attacks, etc.), it seems like it should also stack for Monk of the Empty Hand. I would say that if it stacks for Monk of the Empty Hand, it should stack for Zen Archer, too.
If it doesn't stack with normal Monk flurry at all, then this is a moot point.
Graystone, you're interpretation is incorrect. They don't stack because they don't say they stack. While the winter witch and wizard familiars expressly say how they stack. It doesn't work like the familiar and arcane bond because it doesn't say it stacks. A better example to use would be Channel energy, because you Channel, Like a Cleric, And you have a Cleric Level for it, and yet they don't stack. This flurry of blows is much more like a Channel than a familiar.
On first read, I assumed they wouldn't stack, but then there's this line in Zen Archer: "A zen archer’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level." On closer read, all the Zen Archer modification does is restrict the weapons that the monk can use to flurry.
This is the same functional modification (and much of the same text) as the Monk of the Empty Hand:
Starting at 1st level, a monk of the empty hand can make a flurry of blows using any combination of unarmed strikes or attacks with an improvised weapon. He may not make a flurry of blows with any other weapons, including special monk weapons. A monk of the empty hand’s flurry of blows otherwise functions as normal for a monk of his level.If the Sacred Fist flurry stacks with the normal Monk flurry for level-dependent features (BAB, iterative attacks, etc.), it seems like it should also stack for Monk of the Empty Hand. I would say that if it stacks for Monk of the Empty Hand, it should stack for Zen Archer, too.
If it doesn't stack with normal Monk flurry at all, then this is a moot point.
It's a moot point because the flurries don't stack no matter what anyways.
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These things don't stack. It is simply having two of the same class feature. It would be like Having 2 levels in monk and 2 levels in rogue. You now have the Evasion class feature twice. This means nothing special, they don't stack, you don't automatically get bumped up to improved evasion you just pointlessly have the same class feature twice. There are a lot of situations like this and unless the abilities specifically state that they stack and the method by which to stack them then they simply do not stack with each other.