Do you still need the Fiendish Heritage feat to play a pit-born tiefling?


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I’m playing a tiefling with the pit-born heritage from the Blood of Fiends Player Companion book. Our DM thinks that I still need the Fiendish Heritage feat, from the old Council of Thieves Adventure Path #25. Is there a rules clarification I can show to my DM to prove I don’t need the feat? I checked the FAQ page but couldn’t find a listing for Blood of Fiends, and there is nothing applicable under the ARG.

Our GM’s kind of a rules lawyer so I need something “official”. Also, he won’t accept a ruling simply because it’s PFS legal. Thanks.

Lantern Lodge

Is this character for PFS?

Cos if it is for PFS, you can't make new Tiefling characters without a boon sheet to give you access.
The Aasimar and Tiefling races are restricted races now.


No, this character is for a non PFS champaign. The DM is confused and thinks I still need the Fiendish Heritage feat from the old Council of Thieves adventure path to play a tiefling with the pit born heritage. As far as I know, this feat is no longer applicable since the Blood of Fiends splat book.

What I'm looking for is official confirmation from the designers that the Fiendish Heritage feat is no longer needed.


It's not. It would be easier to prove if Tieflings were still PFS legal, because all of the Blood of Fiends heritages were legal for PFS play without the need for any additonal feats.

However, the fact is that as you aren't playing PFS, your GM can MAKE the feat required or not at his or her leasure. So insterad of trying to convince them they are wrong, you may be better off trying to convince them to allow it.


Fiendish Heritage is from late 3.5/early PF, where Tieflings were considered significantly more powerful than other PC races, hence the feat tax.

Later Tiefling material - Blood of Fiends, Advanced Race Guide, Bestiaries, NPC Codex etc. don't use or reference the feat. Blood of Fiends and Advanced Race Guide are both later and more core than the Adventure Path.


It's also worth noting that while the feat appeared in the tiefling book, there's no feat referenced in the aasimar or dhampir books (which also allow alternates). Seems like it slipped in by mistake, or they later changed their mind on needing a feat to get different ability scores.


Dispari Scuro wrote:
It's also worth noting that while the feat appeared in the tiefling book, there's no feat referenced in the aasimar or dhampir books (which also allow alternates). Seems like it slipped in by mistake, or they later changed their mind on needing a feat to get different ability scores.

I read through Blood of Fiends and didn't see the Fiendish Heratage feat. Did I miss it?

Sovereign Court

It's not in there. Fiendish heritage is from the council of thieves, a 3.5/OGL book.

Blood of fiends is the official PFRPG material.

But well, I would recommend tho to talk with your DM calmly about it, because at the end of the day...they can choose to do whatever they want in their game.


Thess wrote:
Dispari Scuro wrote:
It's also worth noting that while the feat appeared in the tiefling book, there's no feat referenced in the aasimar or dhampir books (which also allow alternates). Seems like it slipped in by mistake, or they later changed their mind on needing a feat to get different ability scores.
I read through Blood of Fiends and didn't see the Fiendish Heratage feat. Did I miss it?

Actually checked my book and you're right. Apparently after a google search, the feat is from Bastards of Erebus by SKR? I don't have that one.

That could be a good argument to the GM. Show them the tiefling book and say, "What feat? I don't see any feat."


As others have said, the feat is from 3.5 and doesn't exist in pathfinder.
As of Blood of Fiends you also don't need a feat to take a variant ability instead of the SLA, although you still need GM Permission and to have him tell you whether you can choose freely or have to roll for it.


Thanks for the help everyone. It seems I have an answer to my question.


Eltacolibre wrote:

It's not in there. Fiendish heritage is from the council of thieves, a 3.5/OGL book.

Blood of fiends is the official PFRPG material.

But well, I would recommend tho to talk with your DM calmly about it, because at the end of the day...they can choose to do whatever they want in their game.

Council of Thieves wasn't 3.5/OGL. It was the first PFRPG Adventure Path.

That doesn't change the ultimate answer here (you don't need the feat); I just wanted to point that out.

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