Highest Str possible for lvl 20 human with no items?

[aWeakling]

The challenge is to make the highest Strength possible for a level 20 human. No items to modify him/her, no 3rd party, 25 point buy; everything else is free game.

Bonus points if you can avoid using more than 2 rounds of casting buffs.

Ragechemist2/Barbarian11/Sorc1(draconic)/DragonDeciple6
So far my best is: 18(base)+5(lvl)+6(EldrichHeritage ORC or abyssal)+4(Dragon Deciple)= 33 +6(Greater Rage)= 39 +6(Mutagin)+ 4(Bulls strength) = 49 + enlarge person for +2 size bonus making a grand total of 51 Strength?

[GM Bold Strider]

I propose a Ragechemist 2/Barbarian 11/Sorcerer 1 (Draconic)/Dragon Disciple 6

18(Base) + 2 (Human) + 5 (Level) + 6 (Eldritch Heritage) + 4 (Dragon Disciple) + 6 (Greater Rage) + 6 (Mutagen) + 4 (Bull's Strength) + 2 (Permanent Enlarge Person) = 53 Strength

One buff and one drink.

Do I win?

[claudekennilol]

Ok, without thinking at all I can get 53. Exactly what you have plus the +2 racial from being human into strength.

Ok... too slow :(

GM Bold Strider wrote:

One buff and one drink.

Which can be done in one round with worshipping urgathoa and the potion glutton feat (swift action to drink) and then your standard to buff.

[KahnyaGnorc]

Human Synthesist Summoner 20

16 (Base) + 16 (Huge Evolution) + 8 (+Str Evolution) + 8 (Eidolon Str Increase) + 3 (Ability Increase) + 2 (Enlarge Person) + 4 (Bull's Strength) = 57

[David knott 242]

I think you forgot to throw in a rapid sequence of 5 Wish spells, unless one of the other items grants an inherent bonus of +5 or greater. These Wishes would not count against the time spent casting buffs because they would be permanent effects.

[Damon Griffin]

KahnyaGnorc wrote:

Human Synthesist Summoner 20

16 (Base) + 16 (Huge Evolution) + 8 (+Str Evolution) + 8 (Eidolon Str Increase) + 3 (Ability Increase) + 2 (Enlarge Person) + 4 (Bull's Strength) = 57

Also, +5 inherent from 5 wishes.

(Disregard the now-removed mention of +5 for ability increases...I was thinking 20th level Summoner, not 20th level eidolon. Duh.)

[Ughbash]

David knott 242 wrote:

I think you forgot to throw in a rapid sequence of 5 Wish spells, unless one of the other items grants an inherent bonus of +5 or greater. These Wishes would not count against the time spent casting buffs because they would be permanent effects.

those are a Inherant bonus (as is the tome). The eldritch Heritage (ord/Abysall) is also an inherant bonus +6 so the book or wishes will not stack with it.

[Rambear]

Get a Profane Gift from one of the Demons? Not partof a build, but can be done and is not an item :).

Looking at Orc: 16 Abyssal/Draconis Bloodrager/Ragechemist 2/Dragon Disciple 2

18 (base) + 10 (rage) +4 (Orc) + 6 (EH) + 5 (Levels) + 6 (Form of the Dragon II + Mutagen (+6) + 2 (inherent, dragon Disciple) + 4 (Bull's Strength) + Profane Gift +2/+4

That would be 61 + 2/+4 (Profane Gift Fun taimz)

Would go up with decent Furious Courageous Weapon (+3).

You could also get Amplified Rage (+4), a Belt of Strength (+2 over this build)

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2resq?The-Great-Strength-Build#1

So yeah, something like that. Have fun with a crossblooded rager/ragechemyst and saves

[Renegadeshepherd]

This has been done before. Google "highest strength possible pathfinder" to get the threads. Synthesist is the winner with 70+.