archetype question for hybrid classes.

[Ishpumalibu]

Hey, so i know this isn't legal, I'm just wondering if you guys think it's too imbalanced. For instance, a blood rager taking a barbarian archetype.

[Seranov]

Hybrids cannot take the archetypes of their parent classes. They can only take archetypes designed for that class.

And I think it's a terrible idea, because it further shoehorns the hybrid classes into trying to outperforming the parent class' role. ESPECIALLY in the case of an Invulnerable Rager Bloodrager.

[Ishpumalibu]

Seranov wrote:

Hybrids cannot take the archetypes of their parent classes. They can only take archetypes designed for that class.

And I think it's a terrible idea, because it further shoehorns the hybrid classes into trying to outperforming the parent class' role. ESPECIALLY in the case of an Invulnerable Rager Bloodrager.

Good point, thanks for the insight.

[PaulH]

Hi

Where does it say you can't take archetypes from parent classes, please?

I know it was in the Playtest, but struggling to find it in the full doc.
Just need the page number..

Thanks
Paul H

[Dread Knight]

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Since Barbarian Archetypes are for Barbarians and Bloodrager Archetypes are for Bloodragers. They are their own classes you can't take Archetypes that are meant for a different class.

[Seranov]

Dread Knight wrote:

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Since Barbarian Archetypes are for Barbarians and Bloodrager Archetypes are for Bloodragers. They are their own classes you can't take Archetypes that are meant for a different class.

Not only this, but since hybrid classes don't have all the same abilities as their parent classes, the vast majority of their archetypes wouldn't even have the abilities that the archetypes replace.

You can only take archetypes for a class that it is listed as an archetype for. A Bloodrager is not a Barbarian, so it can't be an Invulnerable Rager. A Warpriest is not a Cleric, so it cannot be a Crusader.

[Wise Old Man]

If they are your parent classes, I don't see why not as long as the class features correspond with their appropriate levels. For example, the Rogue is one of the parent class of the Investigator, and they both have trapfinding at first level and trap sense at third level, whats not to say you could use the archetypes such as the Chameleon and use its features.

[Chess Pwn]

The fact that an Investigator isn't a rogue at all. It's an Investigator. A rogue archetype works for a rogue and can combo with other archetypes(like an alternative class). But An Investigator is as much a rogue as a bloodrager is.

[Wise Old Man]

The Ninja can use the Rogue's archetype for uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge, because the Rogue is the parent class of the Ninja.

[Secret Wizard]

Wise Old Man wrote:

The Ninja can use the Rogue's archetype for uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge, because the Rogue is the parent class of the Ninja.

That's a rule for Alternate Classes, not Hybrid Classes.

[Bart Vervaet]

Wise Old Man wrote:

The Ninja can use the Rogue's archetype for uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge, because the Rogue is the parent class of the Ninja.

The rogue is not the "parent class" for the ninja, the ninja is an alternate class for the rogue. That is a big difference. And IIRC it was specifically stated that an alternate class can use the archetypes of the class (singular) it was based on, as long as it had the class abilities that are changed in the archetype.

The classes presented in the ACG are "new" classes. Granted, they are based on 2 previously existing classes, but they follow completely different rules than alternate classes. Therefore they can only use archetypes created for their specific class, not fhose created for their parent classes. In my opinion this doesn't even have to be specifically stated.

Asking to apply a barbarian archetype to a bloodrager in my eyes is the same as asking to apply a monk archetype to a fighter.

[Wise Old Man]

I stand corrected.