Are there any items or abilities out there (PFS legal) that boost Intelligence (either permanent or temporary) that would stack with a Tome or a Headband?
They purposefully limit the amount of ways to increase stats due to the powerful effects it can have on a character.
Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
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Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
That's why you kill/petrify the succubus immediately after getting the profane gift. They can't remove it if they are dead or otherwise incapable of taking actions.
It's not a tactic I would ever employ, but that is the usual plan.
They purposefully limit the amount of ways to increase stats due to the powerful effects it can have on a character.
Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
Not exactly good business for the succubi if it became known that they did that.
WHo would barter for their services then?
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They purposefully limit the amount of ways to increase stats due to the powerful effects it can have on a character.
Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
Not exactly good business for the succubi if it became known that they did that.
WHo would barter for their services then?
Really? A chaotic evil demon isn't trustworthy? Who would have known?
Really? A chaotic evil demon isn't trustworthy? Who would have known?They purposefully limit the amount of ways to increase stats due to the powerful effects it can have on a character.
Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
Not exactly good business for the succubi if it became known that they did that.
WHo would barter for their services then?
Well you are correct about CE.
But with the +3 int, a smart one would advertise, get more services.(at least if I was one, thats how i would do it)
YMMV
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With a +3 intelligence, a smart succubus would use her telepathy thourgh the gift to tell you that now she is the boss and your wizard'd better obey or punishment will come !!
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Dragon Disciple gets +2 that is "gained as if through level advancement."
EDIT: Also, mythic rules grant stat increases for leveling (+2 at every even tier for a total of +10 possible) and for one of the universal path abilties available at 3rd tier (+2 to one stat).
EDIT 2: So, I see the following available:
18 base ability
+2 racial (human, elf, half-elf, half-orc, and others I'm sure)
+5 level
+6 enhancement (headband typically)
+5 inherent (wish or tome)
+2 profane (questionable deal with succubus...at least you'll die with a smile?)
+2 dragon disciple
<same as above>
+10 mythic tiers
+2 universal path ability
Really? A chaotic evil demon isn't trustworthy? Who would have known?They purposefully limit the amount of ways to increase stats due to the powerful effects it can have on a character.
Aside from those mentioned, I know of no more. And realistically, the succubus' profane gift is a risky proposition. As a GM, I would have the succubus remove the gift at a moment when you need it most.
Not exactly good business for the succubi if it became known that they did that.
WHo would barter for their services then?
Well you are correct about CE.
But with the +3 int, a smart one would advertise, get more services.(at least if I was one, thats how i would do it)
YMMV
Ummm, they're not advertising to get more services. This usually involves forcibly summoning an succubus against it's will to force you to give it's profane gift, against its will.
They don't want to help you, and after the "transaction" is finished they probably just want to kill you. Though, they are aware they lack the power to do so on their own, the best they can hope for is to send low charisma characters into a coma or otherwise severly hamper you at the worst possible moment.
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Umm no. Read planar binding, once the task is done they instantly go back to their plane. You get one service. As soon as it has given the gift it has completed its service. Poof gone. It's next action is to do 2d6 points of cha drain, which doesn't heal naturally. Sure pull this out at a PFS table, and watch the drama unfold. There is no way to back stop a protection on this. I would love a wizard with a low cha to do this...average cha of 8...good chance he is in a coma now.
Actually...you can make the task "Give everyone in the party a Profane Gift, and don't withdraw any for the next five days." and then incapacitate the Succubus immediately after the first one's given. That works fine. It's not necessarily a good plan, but it can be done.
The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.
The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.Which is why this plan usually ends with her as garden statuary. It's still not really a good plan, but it's doable.
That would only end with other, greater demons, taking notice that their play thing has gone missing. It might take time, but such actions would eventually have unpleasant consequences.
That would only end with other, greater demons, taking notice that their play thing has gone missing. It might take time, but such actions would eventually have unpleasant consequences.The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.Which is why this plan usually ends with her as garden statuary. It's still not really a good plan, but it's doable.
So free xp and loot? I can live with those consequences. Better spread the word to all those adventurers who interrupt all the evil cults around the world. "Mess with this demons plans and a bigger one will show up to give you even more XP and loot." Hell the adventure sells itself.
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That would only end with other, greater demons, taking notice that their play thing has gone missing. It might take time, but such actions would eventually have unpleasant consequences.The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.Which is why this plan usually ends with her as garden statuary. It's still not really a good plan, but it's doable.
Oh, agreed. Just noting.
So free xp and loot? I can live with those consequences. Better spread the word to all those adventurers who interrupt all the evil cults around the world. "Mess with this demons plans and a bigger one will show up to give you even more XP and loot." Hell the adventure sells itself.
Attacks by clever, ruthless, opponents are seldom gonna be as simple as giving you free stuff.
That would only end with other, greater demons, taking notice that their play thing has gone missing. It might take time, but such actions would eventually have unpleasant consequences.The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.Which is why this plan usually ends with her as garden statuary. It's still not really a good plan, but it's doable.
Wrap the statue in a layer of lead?
That would only end with other, greater demons, taking notice that their play thing has gone missing. It might take time, but such actions would eventually have unpleasant consequences.The Abyss hath no fury like a Succubus scorned.Which is why this plan usually ends with her as garden statuary. It's still not really a good plan, but it's doable.Oh, agreed. Just noting.
So free xp and loot? I can live with those consequences. Better spread the word to all those adventurers who interrupt all the evil cults around the world. "Mess with this demons plans and a bigger one will show up to give you even more XP and loot." Hell the adventure sells itself.Attacks by clever, ruthless, opponents are seldom gonna be as simple as giving you free stuff.
So every PC that has disrupted a cult and killed a few demons I assume naturally suffers from these attacks by clever, ruthless opponents. It's weird, I've never seen a single AP where killing off an outsider has such consequences. You'd think somebody would have been missing that Pit Fiend in the Runelords AP for quite some time and done something about it, but I guess he must just have not been important. So is it only Succubi that are important? Not Pit Fiends? Avaxial just didn't owe anyone a favor? Had no minions despite being a pit fiend?
You can realistically get 42 total, 54 with mythic using Nipin's calculations. The lilitu has a profane gift, much like the succubus', except that it gives a +4 bonus to one stat instead of +2. The demon lord Nocticula has a +6 if you can somehow get your grubby mitts on her, bringing it up to 44 non-mythic/56 mythic, but good luck with that.
You can realistically get 42 total, 54 with mythic using Nipin's calculations. The lilitu has a profane gift, much like the succubus', except that it gives a +4 bonus to one stat instead of +2. The demon lord Nocticula has a +6 if you can somehow get your grubby mitts on her, bringing it up to 44 non-mythic/56 mythic, but good luck with that.
A Nocticula Simulacrum should be easy enough.
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This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.
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This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.
Having your face ripped off by a demon you unwisely summoned is a trope of the genre. Demons are untrustworthy, viscous killers bent on destruction by default. Planar Binding makes them angry at the caster personally.
If you use the spell without being prepared for the consequences, then it's no ones fault but your own.
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So every PC that has disrupted a cult and killed a few demons I assume naturally suffers from these attacks by clever, ruthless opponents. It's weird, I've never seen a single AP where killing off an outsider has such consequences. You'd think somebody would have been missing that Pit Fiend in the Runelords AP for quite some time and done something about it, but I guess he must just have not been important. So is it only Succubi that are important? Not Pit Fiends? Avaxial just didn't owe anyone a favor? Had no minions despite being a pit fiend?
I'm not arguing this kinda thing would be universal. Or that doing this once with one succubus is even necessarily gonna result in retribution. An isolated incident might easily slip under the radar, actually. A pattern of such behavior, on the other hand...
And the fiends you run into in APs are out in the world doing stuff, not sitting at home in the Abyss. There's a matter of principle and self-interest at play here, Demons who are killed for stuff they've actually done are one thing, that doesn't mean those people are necesarily gonna target other demons who were uninvolved, but those killed simply for power (like this) create a threat to all Demons of that type...one that they'll respond to, if they become aware of it (and, since these are all seducer demons, they can do so by proxy).
As a matter of policy, Succubi (or Lilitu, or whatever) simply couldn't allow this particular variety of behavior or they're all targets and potential victims. It's the difference between dying because you're in a gang (or a cop, or because you slept with a guy's wife, or whatever), and dying because someone is killing all women who live in a specific area. That first, your neighbors are unlikely to form a vigilante squad to avenge you...the second, they have to do something or they too might be killed.
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This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.Having your face ripped off by a demon you unwisely summoned is a trope of the genre. Demons are untrustworthy, viscous killers bent on destruction by default. Planar Binding makes them angry at the caster personally.
If you use the spell without being prepared for the consequences, then it's no ones fault but your own.
And in PFS you cannot add encounters for any reason, so once binded, all the Succubus/Lillitu can do is maybe drain you if you mess up and give them the chance. It really is hard to punish people for the spell in PFS, particularly when casters get access to moment of prescience and losing opposed charisma checks becomes extremely difficult.
By the way, by my calculations, you could have up to a theoretical 48 base, 52 through Cognatogen, in PFS if you had been especially munchkinny at some time in the past, and even now a 50 is possible. Play lots of high level scenarios.
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And in PFS you cannot add encounters for any reason, so once binded, all the Succubus/Lillitu can do is maybe drain you if you mess up and give them the chance. It really is hard to punish people for the spell in PFS, particularly when casters get access to moment of prescience and losing opposed charisma checks becomes extremely difficult.This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.Having your face ripped off by a demon you unwisely summoned is a trope of the genre. Demons are untrustworthy, viscous killers bent on destruction by default. Planar Binding makes them angry at the caster personally.
If you use the spell without being prepared for the consequences, then it's no ones fault but your own.
Frankly, I think the spell should be banned in PFS because it breaks the "no evil" rule. But I know it would cause much anguish and gnashing of teeth.
Does PFS allow you to play characters of differing age categories?
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Frankly, I think the spell should be banned in PFS because it breaks the "no evil" rule. But I know it would cause much anguish and gnashing of teeth.And in PFS you cannot add encounters for any reason, so once binded, all the Succubus/Lillitu can do is maybe drain you if you mess up and give them the chance. It really is hard to punish people for the spell in PFS, particularly when casters get access to moment of prescience and losing opposed charisma checks becomes extremely difficult.This is so extremely off topic, but I'm annoyed with the people that try to make planar binding useless by coming up with almost unworkable and extremely inconstant scenarios, just so they can stick it to that dirty dirty mage.Having your face ripped off by a demon you unwisely summoned is a trope of the genre. Demons are untrustworthy, viscous killers bent on destruction by default. Planar Binding makes them angry at the caster personally.
If you use the spell without being prepared for the consequences, then it's no ones fault but your own.
There are a few non-evil uses I could see, such as asking an angel if it would help you defend a city against a rising demon horde, but in general I agree. I'm surprised leadership first allowed it actually. The spell is nuts with some cheese in termsof power level, in addition to usually having you controlling a sentient being for service. Maybe because it works well campaign story wise with Cheliax? Not having Chelaxian devil binders available may have been odd.
EDIT: Unfortunately not Beej. Age is flavor only in PFS.
Also, the Evangelist prestige class offers a +4 sacred bonus to one stat at 10th level. Of course, this is only a temporary bonus while you are in "spiritual form".
The ability score boosts granted by such prestige classes as the Dragon Disciple are more immediately useful, as they are treated "as though gained by level advancement" and thus stack with any other increases. Of course, the best prestige classes for boosting ability scores are D&D 3.5 classes that Paizo could not import and update.
Yes, but you don't get any mechanical benefit for doing so. You can play a character of any age, but ability scores do not change based on category.Does PFS allow you to play characters of differing age categories?
So all those witch spells that adjust ability scores based on age, and eliminate penalties due to age, are pretty much worthless in PFS?