I'll follow this 3d because I and Collector plays at the same table. Before exposing my thoughs I wait until some feedback is given :)
And I am the one GMing both of them, and I keep on claiming that harmful vapors and gases are, for instance, those from cloudkill and stinking cloud effects, as well as inhaled poisons (see Necklace of Adaptation).
Sirocco is just furnace-hot wind that deals fire damage. Even the list of highly toxic gases on Wipikedia does not mention hot wind among them! :-)
That's a tough one. On the one hand, it protects against extreme temperatures, but it mentions Endure Elements. On the other hand, life bubble can't protect you from "impeded movement," which would likely include wind effects.
Given the strength of the wind and heat in the sirocco spell, I'd say no on life bubble protecting against it. Life bubble is still a great spell, regardless.
it protects against extreme temperatures, but it mentions Endure Elements.
That's exactly one of my points.
Endure Elements protects from hot environment up to 140° F, but according to the environmental rules the damage you get from Sirocco is from very extreme heat, with air temperature definitely over 140° F.
My point is that Endure Elements is just one of the effects of Life Bubble.
It should not protect from Sirocco because of Endure Elements, but because it makes the targets immune to harmful gases and vapors.
Does life bubble protect you if you stand near a lava river?
Apologies DS, I missed your post as I wrote mine. We're on the same page, sirocco is too hot for that.
Collector, it isn't so much the gas that harms you (as with cloudkill and similar spells), but the heat and force of it. By the spell description, life bubble wouldn't protect you against a wall of fire or gust of wind spell, so it won't work against sirocco. Life bubble is a plenty good spell without widening its protections.
It's good for sure, it protects vs a lot of spells. But sirocco... I feel rather uncomfortable allowing it...
No, life bubble does not protect from sirocco. Sirocco isn't really "harmful gases or vapor". It gives examples such as Cloudkill or Stinking Cloud, which implies poison like effects or noxious fumes. Not heat related effects. Sirocco just happens to combine heat and some air movement, but the air is a glaeforce wind that knocks down flying creatures. It's not a poisonous cloud.
Rules as intended, its a clear no to me.
If you allow sirocco, it would be too hard to argue for fireball (heated gas), cone of cold (cold gases), or any number of spells. Again, life bubble is still a powerful spell without this.
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I don't believe that Life Bubble would protect you. It would open up the door to Life Bubble protecting you from too many other things that it shouldn't protect you from. Think of it this way, if you don't have to breath in the spell or effect for it to harm you Life Bubble probably doesn't provide protection against it then.
It's not so much the air that's dangerous, but the super heat (fire damage) that comes from it.
A possible compromise would be that Life Bubble doesn't protect you from the fire damage, but *would* protect you from the fatigue and exhaustion (it seems implied that it's a dehydration/heatstroke effect).
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Therefore my initial question: can Sirocco be considered as an "harmful gas/vapor"? If so, I think Life Bubble should protect from it.
All the wiki entries I can find call Sirocco a wind. I couldn't find any mention of gas or vapor in reference to Sirocco. The spell Sirocco also doesn't mention vapor or gas.
So no, Life Bubble wouldn't prevent any more than it would a fireball.