Getting medium armor to count as light for a druid


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Hey all, I need some help to see if it can be done.

As the title states, I'm looking for a way to get medium armor that can be worn by a druid to count as light armor.

Either that or something to reduce the spell failure of arcane spells on medium armor that a druid can wear.

The reason behind this, is I want to take my druid up to become a dragon disciple using the bard as my arcane component. Due to my point spread, I don't have much for dex so need to buff my ac by using armor. But bards can only cast spells without failure in light armor.

So is there any way to do this?


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Hide armor can be made out of darkleaf cloth (ARG) which reduces the ASF to 10%, and arcane armor training takes care of the rest.


Look at the Arcane Armor Training. You will drop that arcane spell faillure of a dragon breastplate to 15%. With the second feat, you drop it at 5%.


Arcane Armor Training requires a Swift Action every round to reduce it to 0. This means he can't use any Quickened spells or anything else that requires a Swift Action.

That being said, Darkleaf Cloth is the only thing that will help the situation, since you cannot use Mithril, the only subject capable of actually reducing ASF to 0.

Depending on how much Bard you dip into will determine whether this will even be an issue or not. Since you only need 1st level spells, a 1 level dip is all it takes, and chances are you won't even need your spells.

Oh, and an important thing which you seem to very much overlook: ASF only applies to Arcane Spells. Divine Spells do not have ASF apply.


Yeah I was only planning on the 1 lvl dip, but DD does give boost to arcane casting. So I will be getting some other spells, just slowly. So I might just go with maybe dragonhide breasplate and just suck up the ASF.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Arcane Armor Training requires a Swift Action every round to reduce it to 0. This means he can't use any Quickened spells or anything else that requires a Swift Action.

That being said, Darkleaf Cloth is the only thing that will help the situation, since you cannot use Mithril, the only subject capable of actually reducing ASF to 0.

Depending on how much Bard you dip into will determine whether this will even be an issue or not. Since you only need 1st level spells, a 1 level dip is all it takes, and chances are you won't even need your spells.

Oh, and an important thing which you seem to very much overlook: ASF only applies to Arcane Spells. Divine Spells do not have ASF apply.

whoops, I just overlooked that, too.


Also, wild armor does not apply ASF when you're wildshaped and natural spell applies to all spellcasting, not just druid spellcasting. By this method you can treat heavy armor as no armor.


Since Dragon Disciple doesn't progress any of your druid abilities, why are you combining those two classes in particular?


KahnyaGnorc wrote:
Since Dragon Disciple doesn't progress any of your druid abilities, why are you combining those two classes in particular?

DD's bonuses are all stacking non-polymorph effects. Including the wings. I don't think it's probably the best direction from druid 4 with shaping focus, but it's not a bad warshaper with the large strength and natural armor boosts.


Scott Wilhelm wrote:
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Arcane Armor Training requires a Swift Action every round to reduce it to 0. This means he can't use any Quickened spells or anything else that requires a Swift Action.

That being said, Darkleaf Cloth is the only thing that will help the situation, since you cannot use Mithril, the only subject capable of actually reducing ASF to 0.

Depending on how much Bard you dip into will determine whether this will even be an issue or not. Since you only need 1st level spells, a 1 level dip is all it takes, and chances are you won't even need your spells.

Oh, and an important thing which you seem to very much overlook: ASF only applies to Arcane Spells. Divine Spells do not have ASF apply.

whoops, I just overlooked that, too.

But, recall that Druids don't have a restriction against medium armor, only metal armor. It is to take levels in Bard that the OP is looking for medium armor that counts as light.

I'm afraid the OP can't have exactly what he wants.

Lamellar Leather is light armor that protects as well as Hide, and counts as Hide Armor. It's not even necessary to make it out of something special if you are a Druid/Bard.

The description of Druid recommends Wooden armor that has the Ironwood spell cast on it, but I don't think that's better than just Lamellar Leather.

It's a little off-topic, but Bulette hide can be made into Plate armor: that and Dragonhide should be heavy armor options for a druid.


Especially if only taking a quick dip as an arcane caster keep in mind the ASF only applies if the arcane spell in question has a somatic "S" component. And choose your spells as much as possible with this in mind.


Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Arcane Armor Training requires a Swift Action every round to reduce it to 0. This means he can't use any Quickened spells or anything else that requires a Swift Action.

That being said, Darkleaf Cloth is the only thing that will help the situation, since you cannot use Mithril, the only subject capable of actually reducing ASF to 0.

Depending on how much Bard you dip into will determine whether this will even be an issue or not. Since you only need 1st level spells, a 1 level dip is all it takes, and chances are you won't even need your spells.

Oh, and an important thing which you seem to very much overlook: ASF only applies to Arcane Spells. Divine Spells do not have ASF apply.

I know about the swift, but it's usefull only for the Bard spell casting, and I don't really see a Bard using quicken spell on any of his spell

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Saigo Takamori wrote:
Darksol the Painbringer wrote:

Arcane Armor Training requires a Swift Action every round to reduce it to 0. This means he can't use any Quickened spells or anything else that requires a Swift Action.

That being said, Darkleaf Cloth is the only thing that will help the situation, since you cannot use Mithril, the only subject capable of actually reducing ASF to 0.

Depending on how much Bard you dip into will determine whether this will even be an issue or not. Since you only need 1st level spells, a 1 level dip is all it takes, and chances are you won't even need your spells.

Oh, and an important thing which you seem to very much overlook: ASF only applies to Arcane Spells. Divine Spells do not have ASF apply.

I know about the swift, but it's usefull only for the Bard spell casting, and I don't really see a Bard using quicken spell on any of his spell

It's not just Quicken Spell, it's Arcane Strike, Immediate action spells, Style Feats, Activating bloodline claws, and so on. I don't think it's worth a feat, especially when you can get Leather Lamellar that is as good as hide but light armor.

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