In pathfinder society can I use those feats with a spear? Also do I need quick draw?
Rapid shot yes, Manyshot no since it says bows. You are correct that you would need Quick Draw or some other manner of drawing your spears as a free action.
Manyshot only works with bows, not thrown weapons. Rapid Shot will work with thrown weapons, but yes you will need the quick draw feat in order to draw a new spear between each throw.
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Rapid Shot, yes. Manyshot, no.
A spear is a thrown weapon, which is a subset of ranged weapons.
Rapid Shot can be used with any ranged weapon; Manyshot specifically says it only works with a bow.
Theoretically you could throw two spears without Quick Draw but you would then spend the entire next round retrieving two more spears. You want Quick Draw
Edit: and...utterly ninja'd
For spears (or any thrown weapon), you could also use Two-Weapon Fighting instead of Rapid Shot. That way, you can combine melee and thrown in the same round. You would still need Quick Draw to replace any weapons you throw.
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In pathfinder society can I use those feats with a spear? Also do I need quick draw?I'm curious, what leads you to believe PFS handles this differently?
What he means is, this is a general rules question, so it should be in the Rules Questions forum. This forum is for discussing things that are specific to the PFS Organized Play campaign.
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Banning certain feats, spells, or archetypes is different from asking if Weapon Focus (longsword) gives you +1 to attack rolls with longswords.
People frequently ask "Is <option X> legal?", and we're happy to oblige them with an answer.
But when people ask a basic Pathfinder rules question, there's a disconnect going on.
I just want to understand that disconnect.
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There's sufficient room for uncertainty - for example, they altered the standard Wizard, Cavalier, and Gunslinger in certain ways, and they've made some "house rules" to accommodate the Organized Play format that wouldn't be immediately obvious from reading the books (like crafter's fortune granting an inherent bonus to Craft checks made for Day Job rolls) - oh yeah, and the loads and encumbrance rules are normally ignored.
Admittedly, I agree - redviiper's asking a different category of question.
I am going to guess no, simply because a spear is a 2 handed weapon.
Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action.
Short spears seem like they would be perfectly fine though, and it is pretty much the same since you can 2hand them in melee.
I am going to guess no, simply because a spear is a 2 handed weapon.
Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action.Short spears seem like they would be perfectly fine though, and it is pretty much the same since you can 2hand them in melee.
That rule is for throwing weapons that are not designed to be thrown.
That rule is for throwing weapons that are not designed to be thrown.
It is a bit hard to tell.
Thrown Weapons: The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on Table: Weapons), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.
The -4 penalty clause could just as easily be read as a separate sentence, unrelated to what follows. I'll admit, you could very well be right though.
That rule is for throwing weapons that are not designed to be thrown.It is a bit hard to tell.
Thrown Weapons: The wielder applies his Strength modifier to damage dealt by thrown weapons (except for splash weapons). It is possible to throw a weapon that isn't designed to be thrown (that is, a melee weapon that doesn't have a numeric entry in the Range column on Table: Weapons), and a character who does so takes a –4 penalty on the attack roll. Throwing a light or one-handed weapon is a standard action, while throwing a two-handed weapon is a full-round action. Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit. Such a weapon has a range increment of 10 feet.The -4 penalty clause could just as easily be read as a separate sentence, unrelated to what follows. I'll admit, you could very well be right though.
Not hard to tell at all.
Regardless of the type of weapon, such an attack scores a threat only on a natural 20 and deals double damage on a critical hit.
This sentence only makes sense in relation to the second sentence. The third sentence, therefore, must also relate to the second sentence to preserve the only sensible meaning of the paragraph as a whole.