Unofficial PFO Land Rush Map


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Guurzak wrote:
All that stuff I just said...

Just backin' your play, dude.

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Kitsune Aou wrote:
Blackwood Glade should either be reported as NG or not reported (no hard-set alignment; we are waiting to see what companies we pull in. However we are leaning towards NG).

You are correct. I mislabeled it CG where Caldeathe's Excellent Spreadsheet shows it as NG. I will correct.

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Harad Navar wrote:
Kitsune Aou wrote:
Blackwood Glade should either be reported as NG or not reported (no hard-set alignment; we are waiting to see what companies we pull in. However we are leaning towards NG).
You are correct. I mislabeled it CG where Caldeathe's Excellent Spreadsheet shows it as NG. I will correct.

You rock. Thanks! :)

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omnipotentseal wrote:
Canis Castrum is True Neutral (TN).

Yes, you are correct. I will change.

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I see that this is in the Good - Evil spectrum. I'd be interested in seeing a Law - Chaos version as well.

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We don't need a huge evil contingent or multiple settlements of evil. What's the old saying "All Evil needs to win is have Good Men stand aside" or something like that?

A lot of good aligned PCs will probably be of the attitude "Not my problem, not going to get involved. Got my own stuff to work on."

If a small evil settlement is very well organized and well run, they might be able to take over a good portion of the area or all of it because of the non-involvement of so many players. We just have to hope that the evil folks bicker and backbite each other, refusing to give up their personal power and prestige for the good of Evil and will remain a viable but controllable threat and not a world conquering threat.

So Evil should be in the minority when the game starts. If they are on equal footing, they may beat us all inside a year. :-)

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John Stuart Mill wrote:
Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.

The unattributed Edmund Burke version so often quoted is apparently believed to've begun there.

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corrections made

@Ravenlute, the Law-Neutral-Chaos axis is in the displayed in the fill patterns. They are indistinct against the terrain type, I know. I will work on a new set of fills that will be more demonstrative for Rev 3.

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Mmm, feels good to be red.

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Harad Navar wrote:

corrections made

@Ravenlute, the Law-Neutral-Chaos axis is in the displayed in the fill patterns. They are indistinct against the terrain type, I know. I will work on a new set of fills that will be more demonstrative for Rev 3.

Oh that's right, I remember reading that when you posted it the first time:
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Good settlements are outlined in gold, evil in red, and neutral in gray. Lawful settlements have a straight line fill, chaotic have a wavy line fill, neutral have no fill.

I didn't notice it this time because I didn't zoom in and was just looking at colors. Instead of a fill, doing a second lining inside the Good/Evil one for each settlement of a different color set might work. Blue would be an obvious choice but would have to do a few tests to determine the other two colors that would work well on this map.

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Perhaps, since (at this stage) the map is less about resources and more about the politics, the background colour could be washed out quite a bit? Reducing it to a near-ghost, so that any colour attached to the settlements would stand our more?

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Harad, I love this map! It is very easy to read and plan on. Any updated version after 6/17?

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Unofficial PFO Land Rush Map 2014/07/06

Please identify any E&O.
Thanks

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Thank you for providing this outstanding service, Harad!

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I believe Mystical Awakening's alignment is now Lawful Neutral.

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"Gauntlet" are missing a "t".

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Thank you, Harad. Might want to check the typo in "Guardians", though :-).

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Jeez, Harad provides all these lovely maps for us, and y'all go an' nitpick every detail!

Just kidding - it's good to be accurate. ^_^

Thanks, Harad, for the maps and your time spent making (and correcting) them. ;)

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@Harad,

Thank you for your hard work on this map, it makes a who difference for people like me who have difficulty with colors (like the official map), yours is so much clearer to read and understand! :)

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Again, thanks for the work. Just a quick question - Hand of Abraxas' settlement is called Downfall?

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All you guys doing these great tools and updates make me feel absolutely lazy! (Retired from the Army. Feels good not doing PT.)

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<kabal> Bunibuni wrote:
...Hand of Abraxas' settlement is called Downfall?

It is. Here's their thread.

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Revised Unofficial PFO Land Rush Map 2014/07/06

Thanks for all the review. It helps me to make better maps.

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We're there any changes this week?

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Yes. See "land rush week 6"thread.

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lots o changes as a matter of fact.

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This too is very handy for finding yourself in the river Kingdoms.

Scarab Sages

Only me is missing some legends in colours hexes?

Harad, impressive work. I tried some times to make my own maps for my RPG games, and I recognize all the work to have a brilliant map as you are doing. Congratulations.

Enjoying every detail and finding amazing every single one.

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Harad Navar wrote:
I used the blog posted land rush image to make a reduced area Unofficial PFO Land Rush Map focused solely on the Land Rush. It shows the relabeled settlement hexes and the settlements already established from Phase 1.

This is a very handy map! And made by a very talented and key member of the Gobbocast team.

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A final version will come out after the Land Rush is complete.

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Will you also be shading in the areas of announced alliances or empires? Not the Roseblood Accords, since that really isn't an alliance but a promise of being a good player.

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The RA founders have indicated that they had no further interest in maintaining the Accord once it had served its purpose of allowing them to find compatible alliance partners.

Now that they've come out of "RA is not an alliance" stealth mode and declared themselves as Everbloom, RA is a dead letter, unless someone else wants to pick up the banner of positive gameplay and wave it from the moral high ground for a few weeks.

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Guurzak wrote:

The RA founders have indicated that they had no further interest in maintaining the Accord once it had served its purpose of allowing them to find compatible alliance partners.

Now that they've come out of "RA is not an alliance" stealth mode and declared themselves as Everbloom, RA is a dead letter, unless someone else wants to pick up the banner of positive gameplay and wave it from the moral high ground for a few weeks.

The UnNamed Company has already removed itself from the Roseblood Accord, once it's duplicitous nature had been admitted to. It was clear that a few of its primary creators / champions clearly had no intentions of serving positive player interactions, unless they served a direct benefit to the select group they wished it to.

We don't need to seek public approval of our activities or affirmation that our game play is positive game play. We know that it is positive game play for as long as GW does not label it as otherwise. If GW identifies any of our activities as "outside" of the rules, we will accept the consequences of that and end the practice.

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Damned if you do and damned if you don't of course. The RA had more than one purpose and none of them were ever hidden (they are in the first paragraph). Now that the "mutual success" part has been separated from the "positive gaming" part, the RA can continue to be crowdforged into a definition of positive gameplay for all of its signees without further distractions.

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Avari, I have a great deal of respect for many members of Everbloom, but it's hard not to see the whole RA initiative as cynical and disingenuous in light of the recent "we got what we wanted from RA so we're done with it" posts which triggered the conversations that led to the locking of the second RA thread.

When the original RA posts described the option to settle in the Southeast as a "purely logistical" choice rather than the whole point of the exercise, I think an objective observer would have to agree that even if you did not intend for your motivations to be opaque, the wording you chose can reasonably be interpreted in multiple, not always flattering, ways.

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Guurzak wrote:

Avari, I have a great deal of respect for many members of Everbloom, but it's hard not to see the whole RA initiative as cynical and disingenuous in light of the recent "we got what we wanted from RA so we're done with it" posts which triggered the conversations that led to the locking of the second RA thread.

When the original RA posts described the option to settle in the Southeast as a "purely logistical" choice rather than the whole point of the exercise, I think an objective observer would have to agree that even if you did not intend for your motivations to be opaque, the wording you chose can reasonably be interpreted in multiple, not always flattering, ways.

I suppose there will always be people who interpret something in a nefarious way, with or without nefarious intentions. There are hundreds of interpretations for the US Constitution, Stairway to Heaven and the Bible, that doesn't make any of those documents badly written ones.

The ultimate test is that the people it was meant for are happy with it, and for the most part, the RA has way, way more fans than detractors, as evidenced by this very map.

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Bluddwolf wrote:

The UnNamed Company has already removed itself from the Roseblood Accord, once it's duplicitous nature had been admitted to. It was clear that a few of its primary creators / champions clearly had no intentions of serving positive player interactions, unless they served a direct benefit to the select group they wished it to.

We don't need to seek public approval of our activities or affirmation that our game play is positive game play. We know that it is positive game play for as long as GW does not label it as otherwise. If GW identifies any of our activities as "outside" of the rules, we will accept the consequences of that and end the practice.

You should add "in my opinion" to a lot of this because that's exactly what this happens to be. Advertising opinion as fact is one of my biggest pet peeves as none of the above is fact by any stretch of one's imagination. That's all.

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Guurzak wrote:
... it's hard not to see the whole RA initiative as cynical and disingenuous...

If it's hard for you not to see the initial announcement as "cynical and disingenuous", imagine how hard it is for me (and others) not to see some of the posts from our enemies as serving any purpose but to destroy it.

The RA had three transparent purposes.
1. Announce that TEO & T7V had secured Settlement locations in the southeast.
2. Declare our intent to make this area a safe haven of sorts.
3. Invite folks who shared our goals and values to make themselves known to us and settle near us.

Everyone who chose to settle near us based on that invitation understood clearly what we were doing, and has been very happy to be part of our Alliance.

The only problems with the RA resulted from direct enemy action. It saddens me that more of the community didn't recognize that right away, but it shocks me (to the point of incredulity) that you cannot see such an obvious fact.

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Saiph the Fallen wrote:
Bluddwolf wrote:

The UnNamed Company has already removed itself from the Roseblood Accord, once it's duplicitous nature had been admitted to. It was clear that a few of its primary creators / champions clearly had no intentions of serving positive player interactions, unless they served a direct benefit to the select group they wished it to.

We don't need to seek public approval of our activities or affirmation that our game play is positive game play. We know that it is positive game play for as long as GW does not label it as otherwise. If GW identifies any of our activities as "outside" of the rules, we will accept the consequences of that and end the practice.

You should add "by popular opinion" or "it is a widely held opinion" to a lot of this because that's exactly what this happens to be. Advertising opinion as fact is one of my biggest pet peeves as none of the above is fact by any stretch of one's imagination. That's all.

* fixed those for you.

I noticed your pet peeve was not pointed towards Gurzaak's comments, nor did you begin your own statement with "In my opinion".

TSV will have to deal with or suffer because of the impressions that they have created through their own words, that is a fact.

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Nihimon wrote:
but it shocks me (to the point of incredulity) that you cannot see such an obvious fact.

@ Nevy,

There is another example for your pet peeve! I hope you don't miss the opportunity to correct Nihimon.

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You guys are spoiling Harad's Excellent map thread.

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Bluddwolf wrote:
Nihimon wrote:
but it shocks me (to the point of incredulity) that you cannot see such an obvious fact.

@ Nevy,

There is another example for your pet peeve! I hope you don't miss the opportunity to correct Nihimon.

Actually, I have corrected Nihimon numerous times, just because we are guild mates doesn't mean we happen to always agree. But, what I believe you are doing is throwing mud (at a sentiment that is long dead), and that is a habit you have created and, in my opinion, are already suffering for; it's too late to turn back now.

Message board fighting is not an interest of mine...I rather escape into the world of Buurz the Fishwife and have fun and laugh with everyone. However, when I see someone so desperately trying to throw dirt in someone's face, a person who I have much respect for, I cannot help but enter into the cesspool of humanity.

Also, I apologize for replying to the attacks in this thread. Harad Navar has provided a wonderful service here and I will not continue to discredit it by arguing. This will be my last reply here, if you'd like to discuss this further I'm available in private messages.

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Caldeathe Baequiannia wrote:
You guys are spoiling Harad's Excellent map thread.

You are quite correct, apologies for getting involved with that debate.

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Who really cares who is and who isn't in the RA or why. Our in-game relationships are going to largely be derived by in-game actions imo. All this pre-EE stuff is just going to "set the board" in its opening position.
But, yeah, Harad's map continues to be sweet.

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What Tombstone said. As it pertains to Harad's wonderful map: No the RA is not a dead document, but it probably does not belong on a political Land Rush map.

Scarab Sages

<Magistry> Toombstone wrote:
Our in-game relationships are going to largely be derived by in-game actions imo.

There are already strong feelings rolling down this river. Imagine after the game starts.

IMHO: Sometimes people need to be locked inside a Thunderdome, for good. Just saying...

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I'm Teena Turner. Deal with it.

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Yhora-gwar wrote:
I'm Teena Turner. Deal with it.

You ARE Teena Turner, you vivacious babe you!

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New land rush update is up

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