I forgot her name at the moment, but I had always reveled at how the Iconic Barbarian was said to use a Giant (made for a Large sized creature), bastard sword.
Well, can I do the same with a katana? Is this legal in Society?
My argument:
A bastard sword does 1d10 - 2d8 for large sized.
Raw Says :Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.
But then it gives this example that I believe eliminates the penalty:
For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon.
So by wielding the Giant Bastard sword WITH proficiency - IT would be considered a 1 handed Large weapon, which could then be used as a two handed medium weapon with no penalty right? Which i what the Iconic does.
A giant katana shares the same principles in design and does 2d6.
Does this combination or rules eliminate the penalty? And is this Legal for society?
I think even with bastard swords you still take the -2 if you use them like that. You may want to just get a nodachi if you want a Japanese sword bigger then a katana.
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A katana uses the same rule as a bastard sword and Large katanas are legal for purchase in PFS, so there's no reason this shouldn't work. It would probably be made for some variety of oni (edit: though Kaoling has many ettins, hill giants and ogres, as well as excellent weaponsmiths). You'd take a -2 penalty for using a weapon made for a creature one size different from yours, as Amiri does with her bastard sword.
Would work. -2 penalty for inappropriate sized weapon, and you're forced to use it two-handed.
Cool Thanks!
I think even with bastard swords you still take the -2 if you use them like that. You may want to just get a nodachi if you want a Japanese sword bigger then a katana.
That is certainly a point. A small sized nodachi does the same damage as a medium sized katana, but it doesn't need any proficiency feats for a barbarian since it is a martial weapon. Heck, it even gives the option to do either piercing or slashing damage, and it has the brace property.
So why bother with the -2 to attack rolls when you get a slightly better version with an appropriately sized weapon?
I think the key trick would be to use a Large size No-Dachi, which I don't think is possible since Monkey Grip never came back.
Yeah, you could wield a Large katana with EWP (katana) two handed taking a -2 penalty
you still take a -2 to attacks with small size nodachi. as it not appropriately sized. it just the changed the from two-handed to one handed. So you still in the same boat, only thing is your have less dice damage for the cost of no feat.
lemeres wasn't saying to use a small sized no-dachi
He was saying since a small sized no-dachi is the same as a medium katana, if you want to wield a large katana-like weapon just use a medium sized no-dachi
Tiefling with Variant 16 can wield a large katana (or any other large weapon) at no penalty. Have fun!
Correct. the iconic barbarian does take the -2 off size penalty for her large bastard sword. She offsets (does not cancel) the penalty by raging.
Though, if you gave her the Titan Mauler archetype, once 6th level she would reduce that penalty to 0.
Iconics don't take archetypes, would make them less iconic!
Hey, if I am using her for my character (and that's the point of the Iconics) then I can do what I want.
You can give her a different archetype (or no archetype) if you want when she's your character.
Amiri is versatile like that.
Only if you name it the "Gerbera Straight"
*googly point for anyone who gets that reference.